Re: SR fundamental contradiction


Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
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[snip repetitive demonstrations of your imbecility]

Where does the length of the stick come from, if not from
the LT x' = g(c-v)t ?

Hey, retard, when I tell you to imagine a stick of length 5, do
you ask where 5 comes from?
Yes, that figures. Okay, I'll tell you a secret: it comes out of thin air.
How is that?

You said:

"For this event E, as seen in S', the light signal has covered the
distance
x' = c t' = g (c - v) t
This is a distance of the event E in the S' frame.

Now imagine a stick with this particular length
x' = g (c-v) t
at rest in the S' frame."

And now, you claim that its length comes out of thin air!

Again, you forgot my opening line:
| Consider the event E on the light signal with x = c t for some
| chosen value of t.
"For some chosen value of t"... that's your thin air.


You are a stupid liar!

I'm sorry, but you are too stupid to be qualified to know whether
someone is lying to you or not.
That is quite Amusing :-)

Of course, one can choose any value for t. What counts is the
formula x' = g (c-v) t, which means that the distance x = (c-v)t
measured in the S-frame is *dilated* by g in the S'-frame, whereas
it should be *contracted* by 1/g.

No, Marcel, it does not.
the formula x' = g (c-v) t is not what counts.
What counts is the meanings of the variables.
What counts is that you never understood them and you never
will. You invested too heavily in failing to understand, remember?
http://perso.orange.fr/mluttgens/

The meaning of the variables is clear to everybody, and should be
clear, even to you.

Alas, clearly not clear to you ;-)
http://perso.orange.fr/mluttgens/LTfalse.htm
http://perso.orange.fr/mluttgens/twinpdx1.htm
http://perso.orange.fr/mluttgens/mmx.htm
and
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LuttRel.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DidntUseSR.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SpeedV.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegativeCrap.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ApplyDerivation.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SRSymbols.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CorrectRelations.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SRLuttgens.html

Dirk Vdm

Van de Moortel wrote in
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Fumblamental.html

"Consider the event E on the light signal with x = c t for some
chosen value of t.
Then c t - v t is the distance between the origin of S' (the 'moving
observer') and the light signal, as seen at time t in the S-frame
(the 'stationary frame'), and, by the way, so c - v is by definition
the closing velocity between the two.

For this event E, as seen in S', the light signal has covered the
distance
x' = c t' = g (c - v) t
This is a distance of the event E in the S' frame."


Let's imagine a stick with length
x = (c-v) t = ct - vt
at rest in the S frame.

Logically, the length of the stick corresponds to the distance
between two points fixed in S, which are occupied by the ends
of the stick simultaneously, i.e. at the same time t.

The coordinates of those two points in the S-frame are:

x2 = ct (the light signal, as seen at time t in the S-frame) and
x1 = vt (the origin of S', as seen at time t).

In S', the corresponding coordinates are, according to the LT:

x2' = ct' = g (c - v) t and
x1' = 0.

Hence the length of the stick in S' is given by
x2' - x1' = g (c - v) t.

Instead of being contracted by 1/g in the 'moving frame', the
stick is dilated by g!
Leading to a false result, the LT is necessarily false.

Marcel Luttgens

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