Re: Hi Folks, Pmb is back! :)


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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > <pmb61@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1164226643.350093.63170@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | Ken S. Tucker wrote:
| > | > Hi Pete, hope you'll stay awhile.
| > |
| > | Forever this time. I the past 8-9 years of posting on the web I've
| > | learned ho to except things I disagree with and let them go regarldess
| > | of how many people I think will end up with the wrong idea later. This
| > | was my main problem. I felt responsible if I let clear errors slide.
| > | But I won't bend easy since its these kinds of issues which made me
| > | look very deeply into very basic concepts.
| > |
| > | > Lately a few of us have been considering forming
| > | > a new moderated group to encourage originality
| > | > and speculation that is discouraged in sp.research,
| > | > which is an educational group.
| > |
| > | Actually I believe that it is a research group which ended up being a
| > | teaching group.
| > |
| > | > The steering commitee is designated the Advanced
| > | > Communications Research (ARC) eList, send me
| > | > an email if you want to join.
| > |
| > | Sounds great! It'd be nice to finally have a say as to how a forum is
| > | moderated. I hope we are mature enough to let the rules be flexible so
| > | that we can find a good set of rules through trial and error. I will
| > | join if everything is done to prevent insults in any way shape of form.
| > | Sound fare?
| >
| > Ouch. I wouldn't mind fair, but you want people to pay? :-)
|
| Who said anything about paying?

You did. I thought it "unfair" and immature to extract a "fare" .
|
| > Joking aside, there is no known cure for bigotry.
| > "Be reasonable, see it my way".
|
| What I mentioned above works quite well in a moderated forum.
| People
| tend not to flame others when they know as fact that their flames will
| be deleted and if they keep doing it they will be asked to leave the
| forum. I've been posting at just such a place for years and it works
| great.



"Now, since I, embarrasingly, find that I am not up to the standards
of the gatekeepers of the moderated group where those I once
communicated with have fled, I find that literally there is nobody
left to talk to." - Edward Green

That's your idea of "works great", is it?
Censorship is what you advocate, yet you complain above of
censorship. Truth is, you want to be the censor without the duties,
so you'd prefer to be the pal of the censor. Flaming is the
inevitable result of disagreement when there is no agreement to
disagree, "moderator" is a euphemism for censor.
For example, John Baez is a "moderator" that will automatically
reject any post of mine because he is the object of my attack
and censorship is his only form of defence.


|
| > You remind me of Draper, Brown.
|
| Please, call me Pete. :)

No. That would put us on falsely friendly terms, we are litigants.
You want to be pals with Tucker, but that *** (a flame)
accused me of faking the death of my own daughter to draw
attention to myself. If I ever meet Tucker face to face, violence
will result. The guy is a total ***.



|
| > Draper:
| > I have to admit that I am demoralized at the moment.
|
| Who is Draper?

Another crackpot with an attitude.


|
| > I had hoped that we could fight ignorance with a proactive rather
| > than a reactive approach, but this is clearly the improper forum for
| > that. A quick survey of the length of threads initiated by or
| > drifting
| > to nonsense compared to the length of threads based on sound thinking
| > reveals the true interest in the proposal.
| >
| > While it would be a useful project to contribute to the FAQ, the
| > intent was to educate in the context of discussion, a virtual
| > "classroom" if you will. There's no point in contributing to a
| > reference that none of the "students" will read or attempt to learn
| > from. The intention was to focus on *exactly* what is wrong in
| > someone's thinking (which varies from person to person), set it
| > straight, and then make progress from there.
| >
| > I had high hopes -- really -- that perhaps one misguided soul would
| > read something sensible and say, "Oh... Really?...Oh. I see I was
| > confused. OK, I get it now. Now what about...?" My head knew better,
| > my heart does not.
| >
| > [sitting in the duck blind, waiting with a shotgun for a duck to
| > appear]
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | Is so then count me in. I had a major crash where my C
| > | drive crashed and I had to replace it and start over from scratch. This
| > | means that I lost my address book. Please send me your e-mail address
| > | to my permanent e-mail address which is
| > | peter102560_deletethis@xxxxxxxxxxx
| > |
| > | > It's designed to be a much more vibrant group that's
| > | > very much needed.
| > | > Best Regards
| > | > Ken
| > |
| > | I look forward to working more closely with you Ken. How's about we
| > | create a web site with the basics of the physics and math on it. That
| > | will give us a baseline. I'd be glad to do the work myself with input
| > | from you and others. Have you invited Bill Hobba? He's a nice guy who
| > | will be learning more math in the future. I hope he studies
| > | "Geometrical Methods for Applied Physics" by Schutz. You should study
| > | this text as well. We actually should form an e-mail study group and it
| > | will make it easier for all of us. It wouldn't be bad to have Tom
| > | Roberts there too. He's certainly knowledgeable on the physics. Of
| > | course we'd have to edit out his capital letters and his shrugs so as
| > | not to alienate new commers.
| > |
| >
| > New commas are not "aloud".
| > Yes, please take Roberts.
| > "This is PHYSICS, not math or logic, and "proof" is completely irrelevant." - Roberts
|
| Nobody is perfect. I've decided years ago to try to ignore people's
| faults and try to focus on their good points. It comes with too much
| time in hospitals fighting very serious illnesses which brought me back
| to my religion, i.e. Christianity. When I failed with certain
| individuals I just blocked them from my view and that made things
| pretty easy. So my new philosophy has been working pretty good for me
| for some time.
|
| Best wishes
|
| Pete
|
As ye sew, so shall ye reap.


| ps - Why not tag along and see how it works out? You can get a feel of
| such a forum by joining www.physicsforums.com. Its a great place to
| post. I merely had a problem with their rule of posting references.
| Seems that they won't allow me to link too a web page where I ground
| out the math to topics which come up often.

I'd have the same problem then, so no. I often refer to web pages,
others as well as my own.
I've not learned how to except things I disagree with and let them go
regardless of how many people I know will end up with the wrong idea later.
This is still my main problem. I feel responsible if I let clear errors slide.
Grind out the math on this:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF

Androcles.





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