Re: The relationship between meter, speed of light and c


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And how, precisely, does one resolve the following scenario?

Three spacecraft (A, B, C) travel along a straight
line, along with a marker buoy (O). All four items are
equipped with masers, frequency counters, and wavelength
measurement devices. (I use masers since they're rugged
enough apparently to put in a Redstone Rocket -- a la
Gravity Probe A. It doesn't matter overly much.)

SR's frequency predictions for this scenario are as follows;
these are expressed as ratios. In IRT one might express
R(v_ab) = Fab/Faa, for example.

O A B C
O 1 R(v_a) R(v_b) R(v_c)
A R(v_a) 1 R(v_ab) R(v_ac)
B R(v_b) R(v_ba) 1 R(v_bc)
C R(v_c) R(v_ca) R(v_cb) 1

where R(v) = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c),
v_ab = v_ba = (v_b-v_a)/(1-v_b*v_a/c^2)
v_ac = v_ca = (v_c-v_a)/(1-v_c*v_a/c^2)
v_bc = v_cb = (v_c-v_b)/(1-v_c*v_b/c^2)

SR's wavelength predictions are:

O A B C
O 1 W(v_a) W(v_b) W(v_c)
A W(v_a) 1 W(v_ab) W(v_ac)
B W(v_b) W(v_ba) 1 W(v_bc)
C W(v_c) W(v_ca) W(v_cb) 1

where W(v) = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c).

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Too bad. SR is fairly clear on this matter, although it takes some
massaging to get here from the Lorentz. Note that I'm using
light-defined (local) units throughout this system.

Regrettably, I forgot to expand(1) the above post, so that's screwed up
the formatting. I've corrected it in this post. (If your newsreader
is having problems switch to a font such as Courier.)

I have no idea what all these W(v), w(v_a), W(v_b), W(v_c) .....etc means.
Also I have no idea what is your point.

If you want to predict doppler frequency the IRT formula is as follows:
f_ab/f_aa = Sqrt[Fab/(2Faa - Fab)]

OK, and the precise meanings of f_aa, f_ab, Faa, and Fab are...?

You still don't know??????? Does that mean that you have not read IRT? In
that case how can you talk about it? IRT is described in the following link:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/2007IRT.pdf
Read it before you ask any more questions.



If O is assumed motionless with respect to the absolute origin,
how does one reconcile these predictions?

Sigh.....in IRT no object in the universe is in a state of motionless
(absolute rest).

I said assumed motionless. If you wish, you can postulate
that O is not motionless, but that may require me to go
into more than four dimensions, or postulate a 'w', since
everything is now in absolute motion.

All objects in the universe are in a state of absolute motion. That means
that the observer's absolute motion is defining the rate of his clock and
the light path length of his ruler. That's why all the processes of nature
are observer dependent. Also that's why after acceleration an objserver will
see all the processes of nature have been chnaged.....this is due to that
acceleration changed the state of absolute motion of the observer and thus
changed the rate of his clock and the light path length of his ruler.


Ken Seto


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