Re: The relationship between meter, speed of light and c

In sci.physics.relativity, Ace0f_5pades
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on 18 Feb 2007 12:52:46 -0800
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On Feb 19, 9:15 am, The Ghost In The Machine
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In sci.physics.relativity, Ace0f_5pades
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on 18 Feb 2007 11:59:39 -0800
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On Feb 19, 8:52 am, "Ace0f_5pades" <m4de...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think you don't know what C really is Ken, and if you understand/
understood RT, IRT, and SR as well as you say you do, then you'd see
that C isn't constant. I think if you're charging for your book, its
overpriced

opps, didn't see the link... anyway, C has been confused in the late
40 and it's meaning is now only interpreted to be the speed of light.

When infact, C increases and decreases proportionately to Mass and
Energy

I think Kenseto knows exactly what C is...it is as he
states the velocity of a light ray moving along a rod, with
the time measured by a clock co-moving with the rod and
the length of the rod determined by a light-defined length
unit. (Since the current meter is in fact light defined,
IRT is correct in that area. Of course a light-defined
length unit will force C to be constant, but that's
probably preferable to the error in continuing to use the
old Kr-86 standard, which was a few parts per billion.
But the Kr-86 standard was also light-defined.)


Thats what I mean... yet that interpretation misses the basic idea
inherent in RT, SRT, and IRT.

Would it be fair to assume that given M = A & C = (sqrt B) at rest,
and A is accelerated to 299 792 458 m / s,

then E=A*299 792 458 m / s^2

This is extremely confused at best. For a particle moving
at velocity v with respect to an observer, its effective
energy, according to SR, is

E = gamma * m_0 * c^2

where gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2), m_0 is the particle's
rest mass, and c is of course the nominal speed of light.

Gamma can get arbitrarily large without v ever exceeding,
or even reaching, c. The LHC is illustrative:

https://edms.cern.ch/file/445830/5/Vol_1_Chapter_2.pdf

stipulates a gamma of 7461 in Table 2.1. Also,
Table 2.4 gives a ring circumference of 26658.883 m,
and a revolution frequency of 11.245 kHz. Multiply these
together and one gets 0.9999555737 c; this despite the
fact that, in a Newtonian universe, the velocity of the
proton should be over 120 times the speed of light
(v = sqrt(2E/m)).

If one calculates KE = E - m*c^2, one gets
KE = 1/2 m * v^2 + 3/8 * m * v^4/c^2 + 5/16 * m * v^6/c^4 + O(v^8/c^6).
So in a way SR is upwardly compatible with Newton.

Kenseto stipulates IRT is upwardly compatible with SR, but there
are a number of errors in his math which may preclude such a ready
conclusion.

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