Re: SR theory is simplistic

John Kennaugh <JKNG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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bz wrote:
John Kennaugh <JKNG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Oh I forgot - "it works" so that doesn't matter!

If it doesn't work, THAT matters. c'=c+v doesn't work.

You keep saying that but offer no substantial proof.

Let us look at the moons of jupiter.
collect your own data.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?sat_elem
or get some on line.
http://pds-rings.seti.org/tools/ephem2_jup.html
run some calculations
http://physics.sogang.ac.kr/pds/2005-2/ch34.pdf
after you 'correct for light propagation', then you will need to 'correct'
the light propagation time for c'=c+v and c'=c-v.

IF c'=c+v then moons moving away from us should show a different 'delay'
than those moons moving toward the earth at the time of occultation.

Some of Jup's moons orbit Jup at speeds in the tens of km/s. Lets imagine
that one orbits at 25 km/s, then instead of traveling at ~300,000 km/s, the
photons should travel to us (per BaTh) at 300,025 km/s.

Light from Jup takes an average of 43 minutes to reach us (depending on
where we and Jup are in our orbits, of course).

The light from the satelite should reach us about 0.216 seconds EARLY when
the satelite is coming toward earth and about 0.216 seconds LATE when the
satelite is going away from earth. This should produce a noticable 'error'
in orbital computations when we compare the orbit with data space craft
orbiting jupiter, we should notice.

Jupiter orbits the sun at 13.0697 km/s. Earth orbits the sun at 29.7859
km/s.
That means that at times jupiter and earth are closing at close to 42.86
km/s and at times we are going away from each other at that speed. This
would result in +/- 0.372 seconds variation or 0.745 seconds.
Now add THOSE to the orbital velocity of that moon and you have 1.178
second discrepancy in photon arrival times.

Show that just such discrepancies exist in the observational data,
correlate it with the orbital motions of each of Jupiters moons, and your
Nobel is assured.

.....
If the answer to that is "it can't", it must take its clue as to its
max speed from the photons around it, then there is no 'c' speed limit
for massive particle and the particles that travel at .9999 c in the
particle accelerator must really be moving at 140c....

See later post. Basically all you need to assume is that Coulombs law
is a low speed approximation and that the force on a charge diminishes
with speed.

Doesn't work. If the charge diminished, there would be other effects.
(and you would violate one of the prime 'conservation' laws of physics.

The choice was between violating conservation laws regarding mass and
violating conservation laws regarding charge. You can use the same
technique. I can't remember how it goes in relativity, isn't there a
'proper mass' which is conserved and a relativistic mass which varies
with speed. You can do the same sort of thing with charge.

But the 'proper charge of a proton moving at one velocity' would not
balance with the 'proper charge of an electron moving at a different
velocity.' They could not combine into a neutral atom.

......
The mass increases, just as Einstein predicted. All the properties are
consistent with constant charge, increased mass.

I did not come up with the idea. It is what Waldron said and he had
spent a lifetime looking at it. There is reference to it in a paper by
Becmann and Mandics 1965 although idea may go back a lot further
possibly to Ritz.

Ancient greeks spent lifetimes looking at things too.

What counts is does it work and is it consitant with everything else that
works?, not how long one spent thinking about it.


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bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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