Re: Mystery about "c".

On Mar 4, 1:26 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]

Very interesting mystery!
I'd like to add that the local speed of light on
Earth in a vacuum, is attenuated by both the
Earth's and the Sun's gravitational potentials.
Fred, that's in Weinberg's "G&C" pg.201...
"Radar Echo Delay", sometimes called the
Shapiro Effect, also same ref, Eq.(9.2.5) shows
the effect of gravitation on the speed of light.

Even if one was to go out into a void of inter
galactic space, away from matter, the potential
would not be zero and speed of light would
still remain attenuated by gravitation.

The are numerous cosmological models, but
I think the over-all potential of the universe is
proportional to it's density, and that set's the
upper limit to the speed light, because there
is no true vacuum when the potential > 0.

What is the conveyance mechanism of that
potential? That's another mystery.
Let's have a look at that.

We know that light rays near the Sun have
deflected and attentuated velocity, that's
usually described as a classical field effect.

I'd like to speculate on that problem.

Suppose I suggest, hypothetically, all matter
may be described as an ensemblance of
"charge couples", and the distance between
each end of that couple "a" and "b" is equal
to one wave Length of electromagnetic energy,
that looks like this,

hc/L = hf = Energy , h = ab , f = frequency.

What Energy ?

Well recall charges exists relationally or maybe
relatively is a better word, the Energy is a*b/L,
where "L" is the standing wavelength between
charges "a" and "b".

OK... I can accept the total energy of a pair
of masses represents some energy, just
for existing as a two-body system with
potential to fall into each other.

That is same as e+ e- pair.

Yeah that's a start, but I think one can *model*
that purely based on charges, for example
let a e+ be a configuration of 3 charges (+ - +),
and the e- by (- + -), then that provides for 9
interacting waves, between the e+ e- pair and
3 inside each of those particles.

Perhaps some computer has done that for you:
<<... Structural Phases of Bounded Three-Dimensional
Screened Coulomb Clusters (Finite Yukawa System)
Authors: K. Qiao, M. Benesh, T.W. Hyde
Report-no: CASPER-06-04

The formation of three-dimensional (3D) dust
clusters within a complex plasma modeled as
a spatially confined Yukawa system is simulated
using the box_tree code. Similar to unscreened
Coulomb clusters, ... >>
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0612286






<< The radiation is received by mass almost equally
from all directions, coming from other masses in the
universe; the radiation is in effect reflected back the
way it came if there is symmetry that prevents the
mass from being moved. The result is then a mere
compression of the mass by the amount mathematically
predicted by general relativity, i.e., the radial contraction
is by the small distance

MG/(3c²) = 1.5 mm

for the contraction of the spacetime fabric by the
mass in the Earth.

Yes, and agree, btw Sue glad to see you are
getting a handle on that too, though you're actual
figures may be hairy.

Ahhh.... those not my figures.

No prob, usually, m = GM/c^2 = 1.47 km for the Sun,
what you have identified is the problem, that's cool.



BTW I believe "nc" or "nige" in that thread
is Nigel Cook of UK "Wireless World".
He had some interesting articles several
years ago where he actually considered
the Z_0 377 ohms for gravitational exchange.

Wouldn't surprise me, there's likely quite a
number of ways to solve the problem.

I don't necessarly agree with all his
calculations either because the
penetrating induction component seems
to be absent. But I was impressed the
way he described the surface to free-space
exchange.

Without a working ref, I can't comment.





A local mass shields the force-carrying radiation
exchange, because the distant masses in the universe
have high speed recession, but the nearby mass is
not receding significantly. By Newton's 2nd law the
outward force (according of a nearby mass which is
not receding (in spacetime) from you is

F = ma = m.dv/dt = mv/(x/c) = mcv/x = 0.

Hence, by Newton's 3rd law, the inward force of
gauge bosons coming towards you from that mass
is also zero; there is no action and so there is no
reaction. As a result, the local mass shields you,
so you get pushed towards it.

Sounds good, via Equivalence, but I need to
get the math in shape to communicate a
proof.

I can't provide it because I think in terms of
masses conducting gravity.

Ok, I'm resisting the temptation to convert a
hypothesis into an analogy without a good
straight forward theory, between them.

From quick glance at the blog page there
isn't great variation from Einsteins and Mach's
concepts. It is more filling in mechanistic
details so that useful things like force are
easer to get at.


I think:
~Put a mass between earth and moon and
the force between earth and moon will increase.~

nc or nige was speaking in terms of "shielding"
but on the repulsive side including some
space-time deformation. Only about 1mm for
our planet which is consistant with the way
Tajmar-de Matos had had all the Cooper-pair
activity just below the surface.

This is why apples fall. >>
Comment by nc - February 23, 2007 @ 11:19 am
http://electrogravity.blogspot.com/2006/12/there-are-two-types-of-loops-behind.html



Need to study that, thanks.

Indeed...
I am going to spend a bit more time with
it too.

Well, I need to have another look at wavolistics,
(hows that word for wave-mechanics, sounds sexxier),
and see if a connection can be made logically.

Just a hunch... but you might want to consider
the same wavelength that WMAP did, which
also happens to be a good place to put
radio altimeters or bounce signals off the moon.

Regards,

Sue...



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