Re: Our greatest problem!

On Apr 11, 12:07 am, The Ghost In The Machine
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On Apr 10, 12:16 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
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In sci.physics.relativity, PD
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On Apr 10, 8:49 am, "kenseto" <kens...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:59 am, The Ghost In The Machine

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In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
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On Apr 7, 4:36 pm, karandash2...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 7, 11:22 am, "kenseto" <kens...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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No my proposal for the modified MMX is: the plane of the arms is
oriented vertically. A fringe shift should be observed when the arms
are rotated. The reason for the predicted shift is that different
heights of the arms (when they are rotated) will yield different
frequencies and thus the predicted fringe shift.

Umm, no. Different frequency does NOT result into a fringe shift.
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So what does result into a fringe shift.....wavelength or speed of
incoming light? You keep on saying that my math betrays me but I
didn't give any math for the proposed modified MMX.
I show eqautions 15 and 16 for my proposed experiment.

Someone's going to have to explain to me precisely how a
speed increase or decrease without a change in wavelength
will result in a fringe shift when one uses a diffraction grating.

:-)

Hey idiot constant wavelength (or universal wavelength) means that the
detected frequency shift of the incoming is caused by a different
speed of the incoming light which, in turn, means the detection of
absolute motion which, in turn, causes fringe shift.

Unfortunately no. If there is no wavelength change, then there is no
change in deflection in a diffraction grating, period, by the way that
diffraction gratings work.

PD

Indeed. SR predicts a change in wavelength (as measured by e.g. a
diffracting rating). Galilean relativity and AFAICT IRT do not.

The grating is used by all observers to define the wavelength of any
light source in the observer's frame. Any incoming light becomes a new
light source in the observer's frame and the wavelength for that new
light source is defined by the grating. The wavelength of the original
source is not changed during transit.

Of course it's not. That's why gratings are routinely used to estimate
Earth-relative velocity in astronomy.

Of course yes. In IRT the wavelength of a specific light source such
as the sodium is a universal constant. Any change in measured
frequency of incoming light is due to the varying speed of the
incoming light.

(Spot the flaw.)

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