Re: Logic behind wave from single electron's double slit experiment ?

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In #2, don't electrons generate an EM field, even
in a vacuum chamber instead of a wire?

Only if they are accelerated, are photons emitted.


Don't electrons do the opposite in atomic shells...accelerate to a
higher shell = absorb photons?
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Ok that was off-track....now completely different below here:

Naughty naughty people...everyone keeps telling me that = trick..cause
I ain't talking about waves (photon = em wave)

http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/charge/node3.html
Quote:"The amount of attraction or repulsion between charged objects
can be put in quantitative terms by the introduction of the electric
force."

I'm saying an electron always has a field around it, which it does
because it always has an elctric force.

E_field = F/q and E_field = kq/r^2

And this electric field is most likely being perturbed as the electron
is passing through the slit and "perhaps" is what generating the
interference patterns??



I can't believe an electron whom perpetually has a
charge doesn't perpetually have some sort of less
denser field then it, surrounding it?

Charge. Not EM per se. You are so busy using standard words in
non-standard ways, I am hoping to see the difficulties you create
for your self.

Doesn't Maxwell's equations begin with a charge(2D) then this same
equation's deriviatives lead to fields(3d Volume)???

No. Charges and fields can exist in any number of dimensions.

A charge is basically an electric force in one direction, that
direction cannot be gained unless INITIALY the acting party is casting
his web(field) in all directions.

You're confusing causes and effects. A charge generates a field and
can respond to a field. But the field is not the charge.

Gravity(field) is in all directions until a relation between a 2nd
entity(mass) is established which then becomes a Force(charge) between
both parties(both masses) involved?

Why write such tortured descriptions of nature? Masses generate
gravitational fields and respond to gravitational fields, somewhat
analogous to charge and electric fields.






Are they still non-standard ways?

3. If so then could it be its EM field(same as a
light wave) is generating the interference pattern
(using two slits) instead of the electron....or would
that form a much weaker (less intense) pattern
then that of the electron??

Neutrons have no net charge,

Is that a play on words "net"....

No, it means they are comprised of three charged quarks, that net
to zero macroscopic charge. No charge field for you to worry
about.

How about any other possible field around the Neutron (other then
charge)??

Weak hypercharge is an attribute of left handed leptons and quarks as
well as their right handed antiparticles. Strong color is an
additional attribute of quarks. All of these have their corresponding
fields and respond to those fields. So yes, there could be other
fields and there are.


Well "perhaps" these fields could be perturbed as any other wave when
they pass through the slit and are the cause of the interference
pattern (are forcing the neutron to proportioanaly deviate in it's
trajectory in relation to the interference) and NOT the Neturon
itself???


ok but they must have some sort of field surrounding
them during any circumstance (even if it be due to
it's quarks, gluons?)

They have:
- continuous behavior like waves

Could any of those waves be split by the two slits into two replica
waves?

Yes, they are solutions to the wave equations of quantum mechanics in
all of it's different forms. I thought we had this settled already.


I think the Neutron is a bad example as for particle passing through a
slit...since it's not really a particle but composed of particles
(quarks)?

Therefore we can't call the Neutron a wave....same as we can't call a
molecule a wave (more a composition of other particels bound by a
force_field)?




- discrete behavior like particles
- mass
- spin
- contents (the quarks).

Mass lets them affect other masses and spacetime.

and form a diffraction pattern based

can't the diffraction be from the Neutron's field...

No, the diffraction comes from the experiment where we enhance /
invoke the continuous nature of everything.

hmmm

FIRSTLY: in the slit experiment not all emitted single
Neutron's pass through the slit some hit the walls and
DO NOT PASS THROUGH

But more pass through two slits, than 2x the number that pass
through 1 slit. Same for n slits.

That seems to be contradicting because I just read that ***MOST*** of
the single emitted neutrons hit the wall instead of going through any
slit, therefore most comprehensibly more would pass through one slit
then two slits.

Since as you say (are you positive??) more pass through 2 slits then
only 1 slit, conclusive logic would prevail that there is "very
little" chance that it wouldn't pass through a slit (yet I just read
"most" neutrons hit the wall and don't pass through any slit).

It all depends on how the experiment is set up.

THERE MUST BE A LAW OF LOGIC, which is if a
neutron doesn't always pass through a slit, how can it
***always*** pass two slits simultaneously....

Simple, the neutron is also continuous.

If it where continuous then it wouldn't be hitting the wall more often
then passing through a slit. Clearly you see something's wrong here,
for your explanation is incorrect?

I don't see anything wrong. What you apparently fail to understand is
that the wave nature of particles dictate a propagating probability
density of where they will be at any given time.

Because you want to ignore this demonstrable fact, doesn't mean
that Nature cares what you want. "It must be one or the other"
carries no weight. The categories you seek to impress don't come
from Nature, they are a contrivance of Man... Man who is the
"contained", not the "container". Perhaps our logic is not big
enough yet?

Does the saying "When the only tool you have is a hammer,
everthing starts to look like a nail" have any similarity, if you
substitute "particle detector" for hammer, and "particle" for
nail?

I think you mean a "wave" for a nail? (photons(hammer) cause electrons
to vibrate = wave and thus emit a NEW EM_field about them?)

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