Re: Trajectory


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What is the trajectory of an electron circling an atom in a spaceship
going at half c?

Using some kind of Bohr model? Obviously that depends on the atom. Here
follows a little sketch, beware of possible errors. For the hydrogen
atom, its radius is 0.053 nm and its proper circling speed is 2.2E6 m/s,
which is <<0.5c. Thus in hydrogen, I get a proper frequency of about 6500
THz, time dilated 5600 THz. Then, ignoring atomic motions, I'd say that
you can describe its trajectory as a straight line with a small
superimposed transverse fluctuation of 0.053 nm and with a period length
of about 26 nm. But why do you ask?

Harald

Because I don't believe we can ignore the atomic motions in the moving
system....as each particle ''circles'', it's trajectory is radically
effected
by being in a moving system and has _various_ time dilations effecting it
.....

No need to ignore it - instead, it can be conveniently mapped with a Lorentz
transformation. The beauty is (although also confusing perhaps) that after
the calculation, no inverse mapping needs to be done.

I have long been concerned with Einstein's ''Time dilation"
and "Lack of simultaneity".

That wasn't exclusively his idea...

After a lot of help and much enquiry into these matters from
many many works I have deduced the following:

Time dilation is synonymous with speed of process change

That is exact. Sorry if this wasn't made clear to you from the start.

e.g. aging at a slower rate and is not a slowing down of "Time"
in a so-called time dimension. After all, if something went
slower in classical-sense time it would disappear out of
our now flowing existence!

Lack of simultaneity is incorrect. There no length contraction
contrary to such ideas in relativity (both SR and GR), and
it's counterpart the Ether length contraction concept.

It will be hard for you to come up with an alternative that is as
successfull...

The actual answer is as follows:

Time dilation is spherical....

Time dilation is spherical, greatest in the direction of motion, least in
the transverse direction, and opposite in the reverse direction to the
motion, where change is speeded up.

???

There is no length contraction nor lack of simultaneity....

Relativity does not demand length contraction. To be actually RELATIVE
to such a thing as Einstein's relativity,

Have you heard of Dingle? He also tried to come up with a "real" relativity.

calculations such as M-M's have to
EQUAL the AT REST condition NOT a length contraction to equal the
transverse return distance.

?

It has to equal the SAME DISTANCE for c gap closure in all directions
as the AT REST observation of the traveling c.

The Time element has to be brought back to 2L / C return connected
with the direction of motion, the transverse direction, and the reverse
to direction of motion.

Why "has to"? Can you show the mathematical correctness of your alternative
theory in the way Einstein did in 1905?

Related to the above, the gamma equation only functions in the transverse
direction as you will see below.

Orienting to first the direction of motion Time is dilated as follows:
Rest Time divided by 1-V/C.

Then, Transverse to the direction of motion:
Rest Time divided by SqRt 1-Vsq/Csq [= t x gamma (y)].

Then opposite to direction of motion:
Rest Time divided by 1+V/C.

Simultaneity is thus also regained for all observers by this fact.

The false concept of lack of simultaneity which leads inevitably to the
block-time/ frozen river of time concept (The Fabric Of The Cosmos
by Brian Greene) which falsely concludes that THE actual past and
future exist at all times and thus there would be no free will is thus
debunked by Simultaneous Relativity [SR - new definition].

You sound a bit like Ken Seto. First of all, it is useless to only focus on
one type of experiment: that leaves to much freedom for all kinds of
theories that next fail with other configurations. Secondly, it is certainly
*not* "inevitable" to conclude that "THE actual past and future exist at all
times" (whatever that may mean!).

Now, you may ask how time in a moving system can have different
time dilations. The answer is that it is each particle that has the
dilation depending on it's various motions in the moving system.

That is already the case with SRT - for example, the time signals of
reference clocks on the rotating earth are corrected for the time dilation
due to their motion.

The time dilations are simply based on c being c for all observers

c is just a constant number...

AND the simple trajectory differences that each lightwave/particle
has for the observer of the moving system compared to the
observer at rest.


Do the math, it finally works.

SRT already works.

Cheers,
Harald


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