Re: Bohr's Atom still number one

On May 5, 10:41 am, bz <bz+...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
snip too long

Your faith is touching. If electrons were like planets, they would be
constantly undergoing acceleration as they 'fall around the nucleus'.
That is why the Bohr model is so boring.

A wave is constantly varying (thus accelerating and decelerating).

Some parts of a wave may be. There are many different kinds of wave
phenomina.

My main point(beside making a pun) is that the Bohr model predicts a rapid
loss of energy with all electrons collapsing into the nucleus. Bohr could
not explain why orbiting electrons would not radiate constantly.



By radiate, you mean emit photons? Why would they need to radiate
under Bohrs?

And why collapse into the nucleus...since protons repulse them and
electrons have a high velocity?


All we know for sure is that changes in energy state SOMETIMES are
accompanied by emission of photons and that absorption of a photon
results in changes in the energy level(s).

As well they total energy (including photons) of all reactions as
elements turn into ions and vice-versa

Please translate into english.

When you have a chemical reaction....don't they know the total energy
of before and after

Quite often, they do.

(energy = heat from reaction = photons)

Not all energy is manafest as photons.


Correct, but they would know what happens to the photons(emitted or
absorbed) from the total Energy of the reaction (before and after).

A chemical reaction may require energy of activation (to get the reactants
across an energy barrier.) It may absorb or give off heat, depending on
whether the products are in a lower energy state than the reactants.

Don't know my chemistry....say 2H+ + O- + E = H2O +....

No.

2H2 + O2 --> 2 H2O + energy


Bravo..!

They should know the total energy before and after of chemical
reactions

Those can usually be predicted.

(therefore the total photons produced or absorbed as well)?

Whether or not photons are produced depends on the reaction conditions.
For example, if the reaction takes place inside a fuel cell, the energy
produced is in the form of electromotive force rather than photons.


Ok but that's not my point which is you said they weren't sure when
the photons are emitted or instead absorbed...
I re-pasted your past answer below here:

You previously said:
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All we know for sure is that changes in energy state SOMETIMES are
accompanied by emission of photons and that absorption of a photon
results in changes in the energy level(s).
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There's a difference between SOMETIMES...and knowing exactly what
occurs during a chemical reaction.

We do know that in molecules, the positions of the nuclii do NOT
change immediately. See the Frank-Condon Principle.

And if I knock off planet Earth, the Sun itself will not be affected
all that much.

'do NOT change immediately' does NOT mean 'will not be affected all
that much'. There are effects. The energy levels are immediately
effected but not the positions.

The sun will also be affected and there will be a similar delay
before this occurs.

You may be right, but I recommend that you study physics, chemistry and
math.

Master those subjects before you try the more challenging subjects like
'Elementry Omnipotence and Omniscience', the graduate courses in 'Godhood',
and the PostDoctoral position of 'Master of the Universe'.

--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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