Re: Help with law verification : part II


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On May 11, 7:59 am, bz <bz+...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rAgAv <ragav.pa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:1178846442.481766.213680
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Previously:-

Law--"Every physical, observable effect has a physical, observable
cause preceding it and the cause and effect are related by the laws
of
interaction of physics"

is this law correct? Is there any proof? Has this law been published?
Can somebody disprove this?

Regards
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rAgAv

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I have to admit that last time, the wording easly allowed chances for
misinterpretation, so this time let me make it very clear.

"Is the initiation of an independent chain of events possible?" i.e.
"Can a chain of events be unconnected to the events that occured in
the past?"

Here, i'm not questioning the way you relate two adjacent events in
space-time(like most of you assumed). I'm merely asking, "Is it
possible for an event to occur without the necessity for initiation
from the "already-occured events"? Can there be an instance where
event 'A' can either occur or not occur and still obey the fundemental
laws of the universe?

Is that allowed? If it is, then is it caused by our lack of knowledge
of the conditions required for the initiaion of A or just that the
event 'A' can act at its will?

a free neutron will decay with a half life of 10.3 minutes.

a free neutron, in a vacuum, has a 50/50 chance of decaying in any 10.3
minute period.

Event A, the decay, can either occur or not occur and still obey the
fundamental laws of the universe.


There we have it. Events can be causal or acausal. ( of course there
are some events that are causal)

Nope. You are missing the point. Here is another way of looking at it.
QM, for example, has interpretations that are fundamentally deterministic
(decohernece for example) and fundamentally stochastic (primary state
diffusion for example). It would seem all theories are like that - one can
find an interpretation that is deterministic, and one that is stochastic.
This means issues like you raise are fundamentally unanswerable - or as I
like to call it philosophical waffle.


So, to the next question - "What is the *fundamental* difference
between the causal and acausal?I know its too much to ask for and
probably its naive too. But if you have any idea, let a rip."

Casual means cause precedes effect - acausal means it is not necessarily the
case. This is different from what you talk about above i.e. it does not
follow we can find a cause for everything that occurs (deterministic means
we can - stochastic means it is fundamentally statistical) - only that if we
can it must precede the effects it causes. Physicists basically believe all
events follow causality - severe logical problems occur if it doesn't.

Bill


Thanks.



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