Re: Why Relativity Proves The BaTh Correct.

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On May 21, 8:40 am, bz <bz+...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On May 20, 7:02 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Only took you 7 years to wake up, I've been telling you that all
along. Then you misled Bob into believing in "extinction" with your
crackpot unifuckation crap.

Androcles didn't mislead me into believing in Fox's "extintion"
theorem.
I've been in that camp since mid 70's. I think it works, but reserve
the right to be wrong.

I said "Fox's" because he mis-attributes it to Tolman (c.a. 1910) but
in the way that he describes it, it's really his own creation.

J.G. Fox, "Evidence Against Emission Theories," American Journal of
Physics, 33, 1, 1965.

I understand how fast light could be slowed, but do not understand how
slow light can be speeded up AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME regions of
space, which is exactly what 'Fox's extinction theorem' would require.

I have previously said:





'extinction' would require a broadband (effecting all wavelength of
the starlight equally) mechanism that would take energy from photons
of many different frequencies and velocities and transfer that
energy to other passing photons, coherently.

This is incredable.

It is as if you have a football stadium full of people, each has a

different amount of money in their pocket. The amounts AVERAGE ten
dollars.

As the people approach the stadium, everone with more than ten
dollars in their pocket bumps into someone [at random] with less
than ten dollars in their pocket. They give them all the excess
money from their pocket. Each ends up with exactly ten dollars in
their pocket.

I hope you can see that this breaks several of the laws of
thermodynamics.

Perhaps you can explain 'extinction' and how it could possibly work to
me?

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bz

BZ,

As long as you insist on talking about photons to address a classical
process, then there is a fundamental problem.

John Fox did NOT invoke photons in his description of extinction.

He said, "When a LIGHT WAVE sets into motion the charges of a medium;
these in turn emit new waves.... [Emphasis added.]

That is CLASSICAL electrodynamics.

If we cannot discuss classical elecgtromagnetism there my be no
hope of me explaining extinction to your satisfaction.

I am quite willing to look at it from the standpoint of classical
electrodynamics. Of course, the results should be consistent with the laws
of physics, no matter which approach we take, including the laws of
thermodynamic that say that entropy tends to increase. As I see it,
'unification' requires not just a suspension of that law, but an active
decrease in entropy.

Aside: the unification of velocity of molecules in gases is NOT a good
model for the unification of light, because the gas molecules do not need
to retain an 'image' of the source.

So, the light waves of one particular wavelength, frequency and velocity
set into motion the charges of the medium and the medium, in turn, emits
new waves traveling with the SAME energy and frequency, but a different
wavelength, and velocity. This is what commonly happens when light travels
through a transparent medium. The velocity decreases proportional to the
index of refraction. Later, when the light leaves the medium and travels
again in free space, the light keeps the same energy and frequency and
regains the velocity it had lost, also gaining some in wavelength.

Correct? The Energy and the frequency are NOT changed before, during or
after the light travels through the medium.

So, how do the waves that have been traveling at c+v and those traveling at
c-v [first, how do they manage to travel at speeds other than c, through
the vacuum when maxwell's equations allow only c?] get unified?

I can almost imagine that as above, c+v waves, if they existed in the
vacuum, would be forced to slowdown MORE than c waves. I can see that they
would tend to leave the medium at c rather than c+v. However, I can NOT see
how c-v waves can get speeded up. How can we make the medium appear to have
a negative index of refraction ONLY to light traveling at c-v?

To get unification, the medium must display a positive index of refraction
to c+v light, a negative index of refraction to c-v light.

What index of refraction does it displacy to light moving at c?

How does it handle light of different colors and manage to keep the image
of the distant star coherent?

Normally, if light travels through things with different indices of
refraction, the light is dispersed, sent in different directions. How do we
avoid this while unifying the light speeds?








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bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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