Re: how does atom knows that it is pushed in order to oppose resistance?

On May 27, 5:27 pm, bz <bz+...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]

Here is a plausible mechanism based on coherent matter
and molecular dynamics:

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/inddip.html
http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/Bizarre/GRAV.htm

I see a MAJOR problem with this 'coupled dipole' idea as source
of gravity:
It isn't a *coupled dipole* it is an *induced dipole*

My 80 meter transmitting antenna does NOT get heavier when I
transmit.

Sure it does. Put a coherent oscillator some distance away
and there will be an attractive force between them.

Depends on the phase relationship. If it is 180 degrees out, the
attraction would be replaced by a repulsion. But I still can't get
my AGV(anti gravity vehicle) to fly, no matter how I phase the
induced dipoles.

The armature of an AC relay does not care about the phase
of the coil. It is always attracted because its dipoles are induced.

The armature is ferromagnetic. It doesn't care which polarity the
magnetic field is.

So if the armature was not ferromagnetic would it demonstrate
*careing* by contributing to the WHO or ICRC ?

Only on a carocelle.





<< Long Range Order in Ferromagnets
The long range order which creates magnetic domains in
....
the expense of their neighbors. ...>>
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/ferro.html

Gee! I hope they don't put me in jail for that exerpt.
Maybe I'll be forgiven if I we give them a plug.

<< If you are interested, the full current content of HyperPhysics
can be provided to you on cross-platform CD for the cost of $50.
....
the development process. >>
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

At least you can copy right!.
I snipped most of their text to avoid copyright violations.

Whew! Thanks. I'll crawl out from my hiding place and promise
never to get caught doing it again.




That is a near field effect. The Lue Langevin falling neutron
exhibits that too.

In my bed room, I have a magnet, floating between two blocks of graphite.

It falls, for me, endlessly.

I have one of those too but mine is on an orbital trajectory.



So you understand why it is always (generally?) attractive?

Nope.

Nope? Sigh...
What is wrong with these hydrogen atom?

-+ +-
+- -+
A RR A

What is right with these hydrogen atoms ?
+- +-
-+ -+
RA AR


See the distance, and therefore the path attenuation
is always greater for the repulsive pairs than the attractive
pairs.

Convient cooincidence. Now why, exactly, is that? More of those retarded
ideas?

Look at the new A RR A configurations above They are unstable.
The inner repulsive force and the outer attractive will "induce"
a rotation to a stable configuration. RA AR

One atom ~locks~ the orbit of its neighbor and the
net force is attractive because the As are closer than the Rs.

Van der Walls, London and Casimir! Eh ?


If they aren't they will rotate and ~lock~ rather than
move off center and ask the whole universe to reconfigure
its charges. (the inertial resistance)

The idea is certainly Bizarre.

Bizarre ? If you have to consider permanent magnets bizarre I am
wondering how often you go out to play before your homework is
finished. :-)
"Origin of permanent magnetism"
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node62.html
..
Use one bar magnet to push another across the table.
It will swap ends and jump to your hand before it
tolerates your repulsive approaches. :o)


Better picture first page here:
http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/Bizarre/GRAV.htm


If they get out of phase, say the distance changes more rapidly than the
impulse propagation of the phase can relate, the attraction would become
repulsive.

Induced dipoles are created and locked by the
same path so that doesn't happen.


The domains are already oscillating. That is what atoms
and molecules do

Yep.

and you may have noticed they are
usually attracted to our planet.

I think you may mistake co-relation with causation.

You can't base that on your expressed opinion that London forces
don't work. I have too many references showing they do.

[...]

None of your physics books give you a mechanism for gravity and
inertia.

True, but they teach me how to centre my attention.

Not necessarily. Science demands quantitative results tho it seldom
has access to all the summing nodes that nature uses for a
calculation.
The formalism in a text book can use a completly absurd mechanism
just so the result matches nature's result. QED is a perfect example.
Ya can't ask if Rolex made the watches that the photons wear because
the watches are just representations of a classical effect 'jammed'
into
the formalism where it will fit. You can get the right answer
following
Feynman's rules but you can't invent the formalism without Feynman's
insight to classical field theory. Nor could you invent a competing
formalism without insight to classical field theory.


so you might want to read some of Tajmar's papers to see where his
calculations place the graviphoton.

Looking for faith in all the wrong places, please pass the gravi.

Yep If you expected the graviphoton somewhere between
gravitationally coupled masses it was the wrong place.


Last time I looked, the earth's center of gravity was at the center,
not the surface.

What will your bathroom scale say you weigh at the center of
the planet?

What will NASA's astronaut scale say you weigh?

It says neigh!

The earth's force on the nickle diminishes at you approach
the earths center.

Having never been there, I will have to take your word for it.

Good choice. The alternative is really hell. :o)

Cool!

....

I don't think you know what an induced dipole is.

I used to measure the dielectric constant of liquids with an
oscillometer in my Intrumental Analysis Class. Elementry induction, my
dear What-son?!

Well why didn't you observe the attractive force and invent optical
tweezers and share your wealth with us ?

Eye will stick with my 'I' tweezers, Sie?

VDW forces help keep helium liquid at fantasitically high temperatures
like 4 K. And keep water from boiling until 100 c. [very STRONG induced
dipoles, called hydrogen bonds, but a mole of water still weighs the
same amount, no matter how strong its induced dipoles are].

Did you evenly illuminate the entire planet with the signal ?

Is 'even illumination' required for any 'action-reaction'?
"even illumination" may be a poor choice of words.

But the earth illuminates an apple the same as the
apple illuminates the earth. (path reciprocity)

If you wanted to spoof their attractive conversation so it becomes
repulsive you'd have to illuminate the same areas with a swamping
signal.That could get the apple orchard pretty hot.


That would be an illuminating comment, were it true.

Later, I made capacitors with various ceramic dielectrics, when I
worked at Sprague Electric Co.

Induced Dipole interaction stores charges in between electrode.

What induced them ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret

The charge imbalances on the electrodes.



You are claiming they can repel.
Practice with Van der Waals forces and AC relays.
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/inddip.html

It IS an interesting idea to play with but needs a lot of work
before it can explain why the local cluster of galaxies 'hang
together'.

It is more than just *interesting* unless you happen to have a
quantum theory of gravity, a bottle of dark matter, Higgs bosons
and a better explanation for Tate's mass anomaly.

Better men than I have tried and failed to explain how gravity works.

I am not willing to jump on the induced dipole explanation of gravity
without a lot more evidence in its favor.

The only two direct experiments of GR are in its
favor and so is the author of GR.

So, what is new?

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/einstein-lecture.html

I find Wolff's Explanation interesting.

Milo Wolff ? WSM? He is a bit too jazzy for me but Kouropoulos
includes the Zitterbewegung of matter so there are some shared
concepts.


But I still think that a lone object, isolated in a universe, provided the
object consisted of more than one atom, could demonstrate the absolute
nature of rotation.

The hydrogen atoms above do that with nothing but Coulomb force. But
that isn't an acceptable mechanism for gravity and inertia.


For example, a childs playground merry-go-round, equipped with rockets to
provide tangetial thrust at the edge, and spin, would 'spin up' and if you
and I were riding on it, we would be able to determine that it was spinning
by the direction our mass wants to go due to inertia. And I have no idea
why mass has inertia.

Mass has inertia because mass has gravity. I'd say there is enough
mass
in the universe to keep at least two or three bullets in flight. :o)

Sue...


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bz



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