Re: The Mathematician.

On Jun 15, 3:02 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:07 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 15, 3:55 am, Hayek <haye...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Soon, we are at the twin paradox. His solution is simple : it has to be
symmetric, motion is relative, so there cannot be a time dilation. The
twins remain at the same age.

"It has to be symmetric... so there cannot be a time dilation."

There are ample resources available on the web and in bookstores
to get you out of this first-semester sticking point.

They are all trash; they are all wrong. <shrug>

It's
a "paradox" only in the sense of being a sort of learning
exercise, to get you to think clearly about reference frames
and time dilation.

The twin's paradox is the manifestation of the combination of time
dilation and the principle of Relativity (or the symmetry as
identified by Mr. Hayek). To resolve this paradox any one of the
following must occur.

** Proving time dilation invalid
** Proving the principle of Relativity wrong
** Proving both wrong

d) None of the above.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/712a723d66420dcc?dmode=source


Unfortunately doing so by accepting one of the above resolutions, the
Lornetz transformation must be abandoned. Since SR is merely an
interpretation to the mathematics of the Lorentz transform, SR must
also be rejected. <shrug>

The Lorentz transform IS special relativity, you ignoramus.


I am baffled.

You shouldn't be. The resolution is elementary.

The resolution is elementary only to the religious ones married to a
faith. <shrug>

Either: the situation is asymmetric because of acceleration
of one twin and not the other, or the twins are indeed the
same age when they reunite.

Acceleration cannot be a resolution to the twin's paradox as proposed
by Einstein. Why? You can always design a scenario where both twins
undergo the same amount of acceleration for the same amount of time.
Or very simply just show me the math for each twin's point of view.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/712a723d66420dcc?dmode=source

On top of that, gravitational time dilation occurs not because of
acceleration since experiments on centrifuge do not exhibit any time
dilation due to acceleration.


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