Re: A Centrifugal Force is a FALSE FORCE.

On Jun 19, 11:28 pm, "g...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <g...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:13 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jun 19, 3:28 am, "g...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <g...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 17, 4:05 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:57 pm, "g...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <g...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Oh?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_moment

Seems that the spherical spin causes each electron's magnet domain to
lign up in accordance and therefore produce a substantial magnetic
field.

I'll leave your notions of spherical electrons and sugar-plum fairies
for another day when ya learn how to replace the batteries on
on a magnet.

Electrons don't spin because they are not quite matter.
They interact with other matter as 'tho they were spinning
(Stern-Gerlach, Zeeman)

Yee haw cowboy rope spinning a ball is not the exact same as a force
retaining an orthogonally self propelling object.

Yee haw !!!

It would cause to believe that the residual charge force, believed to
be gravity, can cause neutral objects' residuals to re-align and thus
always be ATTRACTIVE:

http://www.charlesedisonfund.org/experiments/HTMLexperiments/Chapter9...

Quote:" The strong charge seems to separate the positive and negative
charges on the neutral object, causing the neutral object to behave as
though charged"

Maybe something like this?

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/inddip.html

Abstract
The interaction energy between two dissimilar non-ionized
molecules or atoms is calculated in fourth-order perturbation
theory and dipole approximation. The interaction Hamiltonian
involves the charge distribution with the complete Maxwell
field and not only the Coulomb interaction between charges.
At close separations between the two systems (still large
compared with molecular diameters) the interaction energy
is of course that corresponding to the London force.

Seems complex?

It is! About 9 times more complex than magnetic induction
and is usually computer simulated rather than mathmatically
formulated.

London moment is associated with superconductors spinning, here it
would be molecules spinning instead?

London force they say is due to dipole fluctuations.....a fluctuation
is not a spin?

If you view a rotating beacon on a clear night from a distance
do you see it rotating or fluctuating ?

It seems the london moment must be much weaker than the molecules
moment(spin) or we would all be large magnets?

It is much weaker. Magnetic inducion has one axis of symmetrry where
constructive superposition can occur. Van der Waals and
London geometry is asymmetrical on all three axes.

Magnetic force diminishs by 1/r^3 Van der Waals and London
by about 1/r^7.

However,
for separations large compared with the characteristic
wavelengths associated with transitions within the molecules
the London force is modified considerably. In the case of two
molecules in the ground state this modification was first found
by Casimir & Polder. If one of the molecules is in an excited
state

An excited state = random vibes and not spins....where as london
moment is a result of spin???

The London force is not the result of spin but the gravitomagnetic
London moment is related to the inertial field of the rotating
mass.

Ok but the London force is not the result of molecules in an excited
state.
For gas molecules heated, an excited state is random inter-collisions
and this will not produce a London force (including molten metal).

I think you swapped the tems random and excited but I
can't be sure in your land where random excitement is
defined by what bouncing photons are not.

A London force comes from something spinning like a molecule or the
atoms in it ...correct?

Something is spinning in all molecules if they are made of atoms?

Now an excited state is a bouncy state in all direction (not a
spinning state) and cannot produce a London force....correct?

"Bouncy" physics aren't spoken here.

So what you mean by excited is a higher angular momentum (higher
spinning)?

Not higher spinning, just higher momentum.
Induction forces are not well described by quantum
spins. That is one of the many pitfalls in trying
to grasp QM concepts without adaquate foundation
in classical field theory. Feynman's "QED"
ISBN: 0691125759 accomplishes
about as much as humanly possible to that end.

....'tho I doubt you will learn much about induction
forces by reading it. In QED, most of the induction
effects are carried by the watch that the photon wears
so they are unreal by definition.

Sue...






Things bounce because
because of interatomic forces on ghosty particles with
possibly infinite extent. We can't describe fundamental
particles in terms of the effects they create.

Well...not 'till we see a snake disappear by swallowing its
tail anyway.

http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/electrostatics/...

Sue...




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