Re: SpaceTime & memory.

Dear Thomas Heger:

"Thomas Heger" <hballo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I admit my ideas about "time" are peculiar.
I reason "time" to require a "memory" to be
precieved and measured.
IOW's if one has no memory, I reason "time"
cannot exist in measurement or preception.

I had the same idea, saying "an object with no
memory has no time". That means: if an object
cannot change or 'feel' a change, it makes no
sense to talk about time.

A nine minute egg. Feels nothing after the first few seconds.
Time is a property of the *system*, not the individual object.

Therefore "time" is imaginary, tho not necessarily
requiring a sqrt(-1), but it was Minkowski's
SpaceTime that lead to this idea.

I think we can safely (we must) assume a rock or
an electron etc. are subject to the Principles of
Nature (PoN) , though clearly without having an
imagination.

I further reason the PoN are independant of our
imagination, and are therefore independant of
"time".

This is a step to far: our imagination is a
description of nature. What we describe with time
is the evolution of big systems.

Very true.

Very small systems (particles, quanta) do not need
a time dependance.

Except when you have a bunch of them... ;>)

This is why Im thinking of the need to develop
background independent quantum theorie (like LQG).

Time is to me a measure of entropie-change.
I think of tiny building blocks (quanta) combined
to large systems (rocks, planets, stars ...). The
statistics of that evolution is what time describes.

Check into a "bromate clock". If extraneous oxygen were
eliminated, then it would oscillate essentialy forever. Time
passage notable (by a counter), but no net increase in entropy
required.

This causes me to extend General Covariance
to Frames of Reference that have no "time"
dimension, and therefore, treat the inclusion of
the "time" dimension as a Coordinate System
specialization for objects possessing memory,
like humans.

I think of elementry systems as building block
of our wourld.

Systems are modelled as if they would have
some 'intelligence'. Systems are indipentent
and know about the wourld only whats next to
them or whats within them.

Are they then truly independent?

If the system consists of more than one element,
it is useful to talk about time.

Microfine transistions in caesium... only one element involved.

Since the quanta are quite stupid they dont
know the principles of nature. And there is
no court to judge these laws of nature.

It is not that quanta are stupid. It is more like time is a
population property, like "population mean". Meaningless for a
single member, only meaningful / finite for a population.

Since they have no memory, they imidiatly
forget everything. This is why they dont need
or have a clock.

They see all, are everywhere, and do all in an instant. Sounds
Godlike to me.

David A. Smith


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