Re: Einstein's energy formula E=mc^2 is WRONG!

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in reality you willnever find a photon with
one cycle per 100 billin yeras
A photon with such a frequency and wavelength would be SO low in
energy as to be undetectable.
An antenna to emit or detect such photons would be unbuildable.

Even if that is a fundamental truth that still doesn't mean they
don't exist.

But discussing such things is about as useful as debating how many
angles can dance on the head of a pin -- neither one is science.

(sigh) Sorry Tom. You got this one wrong too. Ever hear of virtual
particles? Or quarks? These are particles which are said to exist but
can never be detected.

They have detectable effects.

Not so for photons with wavelengths of 9E23 km, energy of 2E-52 Joules.

Compute how many moles of such photons one would need to collect in order to
produce a detectable signal. Don't forget that you need an antenna that is at
least 1% of the wavelength.

How fast will you need to move to Doppler shift such photons to say 10 KHz,
where they could be detected with a ELF receiver?

Not really .. photons are known to exist and exhibit behaviour as
predicted by theories of physics .. angels don't.

We know different photons can have different frequencies, and that the
range of frequencies so far detected is very large. There is nothing in
the known 'laws' of physics to prevent a photon have a frequency of
1Hz, or 0.1Hz, or 0.01Hz, or 0.001Hz etc. Claiming without supporting
evidence or theory that there is some arbitrary lowest possible
frequency (ie some longest possible wavelength) is what is not science.
The actual existence and detection of a very low frequency photon,
below any proposed limit, would refute such a claim .. however, the
lack of such a photon does not support it and certainly does not prove
it .. which is what Porat claims .. and that claim is also not science.

Tom has once again shown us another error in his thinking. Given a frame
in which the photon has a frequency of 1 Hz then we can actuall make
that determination by changing frames to a frame in which the light has
a much higher frequency. When then measure the frequency in that frame
and apply the postulates of relativity to determine the frequency in the
original frame.

One cycle per second is far from one cycle per 100 billion years.
There is NO [known] possible way to change to a frame that would allow the
detection of such a wave. Not enough energy in the universe to accelerate us
to the necessary relative velocity.

It would be fatal to move to any frame where the microwave background
radiation of the universe would be shifted into the gamma ray range and one
would need to move quite a bit faster than such a frame to have any chance of
detecting radiation in the 1 cycle per 100 billion year range.






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bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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