Re: Einstein's Aether

On Oct 26, 4:06 am, "harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotT...@xxxxxxx>
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"Laurent" <cyberd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Is empty space real? Yes.

Does it exist? No. It isn't matter, therefore can't exist... yet, it
is.

Hmm.... see Bill's correction.

See me correcting Bill's correction.


Can it be measured? No, since it isn't matter, it is unmeasurable.

Same.

Same.


It is empty because it is immaterial, but has physical qualities. It
also lacks the property of motion, so it can't be described as
containing parts that follow a time line.

As Lorentz *did* do what according to Einstein here could not be done, this
the part where IMO Einstein was either wrong or incomprehensible (which is
for all practical purpose the same in physics).

The aether is one, it has no components. It is the space between
particles. It does not need motion, It is everywhere.


The universe is background
free and there is no fixed or absolute frameof reference, nor absolute
time.

Here the word "is" is suspect. And what is meant, really? For example, is
the ocean "background free" and "without absolute frame of reference"? A lot
of this stuff depends on definitions, even more than the above ones that are
less ambiguous.

It means there are no landmarks, no place from where to take a
reference measurement.


Isn't empty space all pervading, that which is between and inside
particles, like the aether? Isn't it eternal? Isn't it real? Isn't
empty space what Einstein described as the gravitational aether, a
continuos field, in that now famous 1920 essay? Aether (empty space),
like Einstein said, is not comprised of particles or components that
follow a time line. Motion is not one of its properties. You know why?
Because it is everywhere.

What do you mean with "particles", "time line", "motion", and "everywhere"?

heheh, please...


Empty space is the origin, a plenum, also known as the aether. That's
where field properties, like propagation speed and direction, or force
lines, are determined, and that's why it is physical but immaterial,
because even though it isn't matter it can act on matter.

Like I said, empty space is like a point, dimensionless, yet, it
contains the universe.

Look, it's really simple. Empty space was, then came the universe.

So you don't include physical space with the everything ("universe")?

Empty space is the sit of the field, therefore the universe.


There can be empty space without a universe, but not a universe
without empty space... just like there can't be matter without
causality. Reduce yourself to a size smaller than the smallest
particle and what you get? More empty space. Empty space that, like
Einstein said, has physical properties.

Einstein's aether - which is the aether I mostly talk about - isn't
bound by time , but by topolgical properties, a set of ratios
determined at the aether scale; frame independent constants.

Maybe you're the first person on this NG who thinks to understand Einstein's
ether! :-)
Constants are math. To what kind of physical entities do you think they
relate?

All.

--
Laurent


A very
small number of fixed laws by which all matter and space must abide.
Physical (real) but non-material quantities (topological). Time
independent continuity and connectedness. We can also call it
topological space, inertial space, or even momentum space.

Aether is what allows EPR (non-local communication) type phenomena to
take place.

Nice phrasing but I guess there's no model behind it...

Lorentz invariant values originate at the aether level, they are real
but non-material ratios which often help determine Lorentz invariant
geometrical properties of objects.

"Often"??

Take the fine structure constant
for example, change its value and you get a totally different
universe.

In relation to covariance and the twins paradox, there isn't a change
in the incoming flux of quantum matter (ZPR, material space, Guth's
'false vacuum') as much as there is a change in the information
processing speed, or more simply said, a change in process speed.
Also, that's where inertia comes from, a change in process speed.

I suspect that you can't really follow yourself here...

Since the speed of light, hence, the propagation speed of fields, must
remain constant for all the other constants to continue to be
proportianally the same, process (mass) has to increase in order to
keep up... to a point, once you go over the speed limit and fields
can't keep up, matter disintegrates.

Huh?

To measure aether drag all you need to do is measure the momentum of a
moving object.

"Aether drag" certainly is *not* part of Einstein's ether!

Cheers,
Harald


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