Re: Poincare and Einstein on Relativity


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"harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotThis@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, I don't really care much about the copying of examples.

Huh? "copying of examples"? What does that mean? I only make this offer in
case someone wishes to verify the comments on an article I post. There is
no other reason that I make such an offer.

If I understood it well, the copying you here mentioned is about an
illustration that someone seems to have copied from someone else. I don't
find that shocking. Sorry if I misunderstood it.

By the way, who posted this -

And so I did, yesterday. BTW, this is the link:
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=AJPIAS000074000009000818000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

Note that there appear to be some facts that suggest a minor German
anti-French conspiracy, and if I find the link back I'll post it here
for your consideration. Just now I did a little search and found what
appears to be a counter attack by R. Cerf in the American Journal of
Physics -- September 2006 -- Volume 74, Issue 9, pp. 818-824,
"Dismissing renewed attempts to deny Einstein the discovery of special
relativity" - a tendentious title if you ask me! A quick glance gives
that a certain Leveugle is mentioned as an author about that conspiracy
theory. Anyway I'll read it myself tonight, almost certainly it has
useful references. :-)

Here below I followed up on it. Thanks to you, it got late yesterday
evening - so much interesting reading. :-)

I now read the article; I found it rather shallow: only a few pages
mostly based on second-hand references can't seriously do the job and
there appear to be quite some strange errors. I was astonished to see how
the author and his reviewers happily agreed with a naive (even erroneous)
argument by Leveugle although they should have known better - Cerf even
highlighted himself in the last sentence of his paper that that argument
was faulty! If you want, I can send you that paper which serves as an
interesting lesson in human psychology (that's another field of interest
of mine).

Anyway, that paper does have useful references and key words that lead to
the searched web links; and also in those references there appear to be
quite some errors. It's too much to give an overview of all suspected
errors in all those papers. However, the following do contain a wealth of
valuable citations:

http://dbserv.ihep.su/~pubs/tconf05/ps/c5-1.pdf (Marschal).

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0408/0408077v4.pdf (Logunov; this
is a book!)

See also (referenced in his book), in his gravitation theory book:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0210005
As a nice surprise, completely at the end (p.241) it contains an English
translation of Poincare's 1905 note!

Happy reading. :-)

In addition, in French, for my own record:
http://perso.orange.fr/poincare.et.la.relativite/4.Premiere.partie.html#1%20poincare%20pre%20relativiste
(here they corrected their abovementioned blooper).

Regards,
Harald

You guys have lost me.

It's only me. I thought you intended to research in the coming weeks the
topic about Poincare and Einstein on Relativity (right?!).
I remembered that there even is a conspiracy theory on that topic!

So, yesterday I did an extensive search and here above I provided the
results. They are links to a wealth of original citations and even to an
English translation of a key paper by Poincare.

Note: the strongly opinionated literature on this topic contains IMHO much
nonsense. As you cited: "Nonsense has some surprising twists. You'd be
surprised what you can learn from it." :-)

Regards,
Harald


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