Re: The real twin paradox.

On Nov 23, 3:06 pm, Cosmik de Bris
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On Nov 23, 2:30 pm, Cosmik de Bris
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On Nov 23, 1:52 pm, Cosmik de Bris
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On Nov 23, 11:44 am, Cosmik de Bris
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On Nov 23, 3:18 am, "harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotT...@xxxxxxx>
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On Nov 22, 5:48 am, "Josef Matz" <josefm...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Hello Dirk
If you could mathematically demonstrate that the time delays of the
symmetric clock A as viewed by B can be
compensated somehow you have solved the paradox !
Would you tell us idiots how this runs in SR ?
A solution could include an argument from general relativity as well,
since the twins must spend time in non-inertial frames in order to
accelearate/decelerate and turn around. I don't think it would solve
the paradox though because the dilation effects can be increased
arbitrarily by extending the amount of time spent in inertial frames.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox
Those arguments depend on the asymmetry of the original thought
experiment. Since asymmetry is absent in the thought experiment
descriped in the OP, they do not solve the paradox described in this
thread.
Nothing is ever perfectly symmetrical,
A circle is perfectly symmetrical.
how far out of symmetrical does
something have to be before it becomes asymmetrical?
A finite distance.
Nothing magical
happens when the thought experiment becomes symmetrical, how can it?
The paradox of the symmetric twins does not depend on magic.
The paradox depends of the fact that (according to SR) a twin will
observe the other clock slowing down and never observe it speeding up,
and yet it must tell the same time as his own clock at the end of the
experiment.
As Dirk has told you, and I have told you in the other newsgroup, you
need to learn some basics.
What you and Dirk think I need is irrelevant.
We, Dirk, Bryan, me, are only trying to help you understand, but you
just don't want to know. Your poor understanding is the problem. What
you think are marvelous arguments are naiive. You think we can't answer
your questions and therefore we don't know anything, but your questions
are bordering on silly.

Why are you unable to explain the paradox?
Because there isn't one.

By paradox I mean a proposition which contains an internal
contradiction.

The proposition is described in the opening post. The contradiction is
that SR says that a twin sees the other clock showing an earlier time
than his clock at the end of the experiment, while symmetry says that
the twin sees both clocks showing the same time.

For the symmetrical case which you seem to think is miraculous in some
way, SR says that the clocks will read the same at the end of the
experiment.

Like I said, the paradox of the symmetric twins does not depend on
magic (or miracles).

You say they won't.

Wrong. I say that the results are contradictory.
SR says that they won't read the same from the frame of reference of
one of the twins.
.

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