Re: Pioneer anomaly

On Jan 19, 5:34 am, Albertito <albertito1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 19 ene, 14:03, Eric Gisse <jowr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jan 19, 4:44 am, Albertito <albertito1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 19 ene, 13:08, "Thomas Heger" <hba...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi NG

don't know, if there new results on the pioneer anomaly.

I have a simple idea about that and would like to write it.

Its based on a model of spacetime with some simple assumptions. Every objekt
is treated as in rest to its local patch of space. Space is perpendicular to
proper time and this is modelled as a motion.

Gravity in this picture is related to space and the celestial bodies are not
treated further. Spacetime in this modell is moving away from an event
called big bang. Since bodies are at rest in their space, they move in
respect to the space of an other object. This is modelled as a bending of
the trajectory. A patch of spacetime can 'move' in an other direction. The
direction is determined by some influence that can be treated as
superposition of history of that patch of spacetime. In all other aspekts it
'flys' independent. A patch is bound to the neighborhood by the partially
same history, but to nothing else.

History is influencing the present by some unknown mechanics, but it is
assumened to be the history that has influence.

In case of curved spacetime a moving body moving perpendicular to a
gravitational field is moving in a patch of spacetime, that is influenced in
the past stronger, than where it is now, since it moved to an area now,
where curvature is less. If you draw a very narrow triangle and let a body
move perpendicular to it, you see that the influences on that patch of local
space are not the same for a path left-right-left to a path
right-left-right.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/isq.html#isqe

Here you see a picture of the inverse square law. Imagin those 'cones'
attached to any point in history and influencing somehow the present. So
they would point to such a patch of present and overlay to a new direction
of spacetime. They point in axis with proper time. If there is an angle
between those worldlines, there is more influence in the cone of the events
more nearer to the sun. This could result in a very tiny accelaration.

Thomas Heger

The Pioneer Anomaly is the clamorous evidence that General Relativity
is
badly wrong. New physics always means GR is wrong, that threatens
relativists.
They all have the least interest in serious searching about that
issue.
That's sad but true. Their unsuccessful attempts to explain the
Pioneer
Anomaly, in good agreement with GR, are grotesque.

Nice to see that we have a resident expert who knows more about the
Pioneer anomaly than the folks who have been investigating it for
years.

So, resident expert, could you explain why the Ulysses and Galileo
probes have not seen the effect? Could you explain why the effect
doesn't affect natural bodies in any way?

I mean, since you are _SO SURE_ that this is a conclusive disproof of
GR, you should have an answer for these questions.

Dear resident fuckhead,
Yes, I have an answer for you. Firstly, Galileo and Ulysses, are not
equipped with accurate transponders for suitable doppler and ranging.

Nice, you prove you have no idea what you are talking about in the
first salvo.

The acceleration is derived from the velocity profile of the craft,
and the velocity profile is found from the doppler effect. The actual
work is done by the tracking stations - so long as the craft is
transmitting enough to get a decent signal at Earth, the doppler
effect is usable.

As for ranging...that's irrelevant no matter how you cut it.

Do you know what that's mean?. They did not yield reliable data,
whereas
Pioneer 10/11 probes did. Conclusively, new physics, Pioneer 10/11
probes,
are now travelling through a region of rarified vacuum, escaping from
solar system,
and the locally speed of light in that rarified vacuum is higher than
c!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,

The Voyager probes did not see the Pioneer anomaly. They traveled, and
are traveling, through the same "rarrified vacuum". Why don't you
think the Voyager crafts see the Pioneer anomaly?

Which brings me to one of my previous questions...why aren't natural
bodies exhibiting the Pioneer anomaly? Given your ....unique...
explanation, everything out there should be feeling a small sunward
acceleration. Why aren't they?

resident fuckhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pioneer probes are where they have to, and moving according to
newtonian laws,
but the electromagnetic signals you measured from them are fooling
you,
they are tricky.

You will have to do a little better than "they are tricky".
.

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