Re: The Pioneer Effect, and a New Theory of Gravity

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On 28 feb, 11:05, "Artful" <art...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On 27 feb, 13:27, "Androcles" <Headmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "Albertito" <albertito1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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>> | On 27 feb, 07:49, "Androcles" <Headmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:| >> >
>> <shala...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

>> | >
>> |
>> >> >news:a2a36f95-a077-47b9-b719-16b8fb0ce8d2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | > On Feb 26, 5:23 pm, xxein <xx...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> | >
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > > On Feb 26, 5:44 pm, shala...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> | >
>> | > > > On Feb 26, 2:22 pm, bkh99 <b...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> | >
>> | > > > > It was inevitable that if there were found to be serious >> flaws
>> in
>> our
>> | > > > > physics and in our understanding of gravity or such things >> as
>> | > > > > 'momentum' these would be quickly revealed beginning in the
>> early
>> | > > > > 1970s, when human beings first began to explore space.
>> | > > > > A new summation of this theory and a set of proposed
>> experiments
>> to
>> | > > > > test the predictions of the Unified Field Theory is found
>> | > > > > here..http://www.awitness.org/unified/pages/new_physics.html
>> | >
>> | > > > The orbit of galactic material on your web page may contain an
>> error.
>> | > > > You are implying that the orbit time is independent of >> distance
>> from
>> | > > > the galactic centre. In actuality, the velocity is independent >> of
>> | > > > distance. When you consider that orbit circumference increased
>> with
>> | > > > distance (2*pi*r), you will find that the orbit time increases >> as
>> | > > > well. If the particles were to orbit in the way that you show,
>> then
>> | > > > velocity would have to increase with distance. This is not the
>> case.
>> | >
>> | > > xxein: Yes, it is the case. Not as described, but the actual >> case.
>> | >
>> | > > I give no credence to the op, however.
>> | >
>> | > > Perhaps a little more attention of the details of the outer
>> velocities
>> | > > of round, eliptical and spiral galaxies will provide a little >> more
>> | > > differentiation and insight of why that is so.
>> | >
>> | > | A visit to Wikipedia should clear this up for you:
>> | > |http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_problem
>> | >
>> | > | In the top-right of the page is a graph. The y-axis is velocity.
>> Line
>> | > | B represents the constant velocity of orbiting material, not
>> "constant
>> | > | orbit period".
>> | >
>> | > | Someone call Guinness Book of World Records... Androcles is
>> agreeing
>> | > | with me. :)
>> | >
>> | > The real problem is in the manner in which the velocity is
>> determined.
>> | > One cannot find the velocity directly, it has to be computed from
>> | > Doppler shift, and whilst Doppler got his equation correct,
>> | > c+v
>> | > f' = f ----------,
>> | > c+u
>> | >
>> | > where v is the speed of the source relative to a medium
>> | > and v the velocity of the observer, the crank Einstein got it
>> | > wrong and so do most astronomers.
>> | > In the absence of a medium the correct equation is
>> | > f' = f. (c+v)/c [ or f' = f(1 +v/c) ]
>> |
>> | f' is the observed wavelength, correct?

>> Yes.

>> | I also think that the relativistic Doppler formula
>> | proposed by Einstein is wrong.

>> Can you prove it?

> Yes, I can prove it. But firstly, it must be clarified what
> proof means in physics. Physics is more than mathematics.
> A theorem in mathematics can be proved through any
> of those cases of proof you're provided
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
> But in physics, a proof may also be an experimental
> evidence. A proof process in physics often involves
> experiments with the aim to test a hypothesis.
> When I claim the relativistic Doppler formula proposed
> by Einstein is wrong, I'm claiming there are experimental
> evidences proving that's the case: Galaxy rotation curves,
> Pioneer anomaly, Flyby anomaly. All these 'anomalies',
> amongst others, are telling us two things, namely that
> relativistic Doppler formula is wrong

That is simply your uninformed guess. Do you have something better that
gives the correct answer .. if so please show your evidence.

The evidences have already been showed:
cluster of galaxies rotation curves, galaxy rotation
curves, Pioneer anomaly, Flyfby anomaly, and
any 'anomaly' having to do with gravitational
'anomalous behaviors'.

None of those show that Doppler is wrong .. do you have the math to show that it is? and to show what the correct formula should be? Do you have accurate velocity information for galaxy rotation (say) that does not come from Doppler calculations to show that the Doppler figures are wrong? Do you know what speed the pioneer probe is travelling at to confirm that Doppler is wrong? Do you have data about what the figures would show if you used classical Doppler calculation Do you have any figures at all?

At the moment you're just making wild guesses.



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