Re: Circular motion in SR

On Mar 17, 7:16 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 16, 11:58 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mar 16, 8:14 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]
An average bachelors in physics is roughly four years, and a PhD is
roughly 5 or 6. How many years have you been arguing on USENET about
physics? A hell of a lot more than a decade.

Some people work for a living instead of pretending to know something.

And some people do both - you weld for a living while pretending to
know something about science.

I don't go around saying that the ratio of the circumfrence of a
circle to its diameter is a variable the way Einstein did.

Hint: Einstein never did. The constant "pi", is in fact, constant.
Regardless of geometry.


I have never argued about anything.  If you want to pretend, go ahead
and pretend.

You are correct - argument requires both sides to be informed about
the issue being argued about.

Well, I am informed about 3.141549.... If you want to believe it
changes, go ahead and believe it changes.

Neat! A new way to misunderstand relativity!




For instance, it took me more
than twenty years to discover that scientists of today are using the
terms t and t' incorrectly in describing space and time. �How long it
would take to go through Maxwell's equations, I could not say.

I can.
You have spent TWENTY YEARS obsessing over a subject that is, at most,
a one semester course in an undergraduate degree. And you still don't
get it!

I get it.  Scientists are dishonest people.

You say that while using technology that couldn't exist without the
product of science. Impressive.

My father was operations officer of Point Mugu Naval Missile Base
shortly after World War II.  Werner von Braun was there working for
him.  None of the space program would be there without Werner von
Braun, but Werner von Braun was a dishonest person who spent his time
in Germany making V-1 and V-2 rockets in underground labratories using
slave labor.  Impressive.  You think you went to more school than
Werner von Braun did?

What does any of that have to do with anything?


Do remember how dishonest scientists are when you go to the store and
pick up Pasteurized milk, and when friends and family get vaccines.

My undergraduate electrodynamics course was two semesters long, and
that barely scratches the surface of classical electromagnetic theory.
Another semester of graduate study would help greatly.

I'll say it'll be infinity plus a day before you actually understand
Maxwell's equations.

I may not ever even study them, formally.  If you ever want to talk
about pi, come back and talk sometime.  pi is 3.14....

What makes you think you know something about pi that I don't? Have
you ever went through a calculus course?

I took a little calculus.

....and your mathematics education ended there. Why does someone whose
exposure to math and physics pretty much ended in high school think he
knows more about the subject than educated professionals?


�There
does not appear to be anything in science capable of carrying on
rational conversation.

Boohoo. Go away if you are going to be that petulant.

So anyone who does not believe your line of garbage is petulant.   It
seems to me that all you have to do is take a few seconds with your
vastly superior knowledge and just destroy the equations I use.

That's pretty much it, really. My superior education has pointed out
why your equations are wrong, and your superior ignorance shields you
from that knowledge.

Well, what seems to be lacking are the equations that show mine are
wrong.  All you have done so far is repeat over and over that you are
more educated than I am.  Here are the equations:

                 x'=x-vt
                 y'=y
                 z'=z
                 t'=t

                w=velocity of light
                x=wt
                x'=wn'
                n'=t(1-v/w)

    So just take a few seconds and show the mistake.  Someone as
educated as you are should be able to do it without even having to
think about it.

What could I *POSSIBLY* tell you that hasn't been covered at least
five times in the last eleven years of you saying the same thing over
and over again?

Seriously. Eleven years. I have nothing to say that hasn't been said
at least once. Go back to google groups and read things from 1997,
1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008
if you want to know what's wrong with your spew.




Wouldn't that be much simpler than writing all of these posts about
how educated you are?

Being stupid is easier than being smart, but far less interesting.

Well, if you get tired of it, let me know.

I have to believe that if you could do it, it would already have been
done.
The problem with all of your great learning is that it seems to have
been taught to you by people just as gullible as you are.

And you are smarter than them. Which is why you weld for a living
instead of working technology.

I weld for a living because welding is something that educated people
like you will allow me to do in your system of European socialism.
When I was in the military, I was an electronics technician.
 I worked on radar.  When I left the navy, I worked at a lot of things.  I
worked in the woods until environmentalists closed logging down.  I
worked in a copper mine.  I worked as an electrician.  I did farm
work.  I worked on construction jobs.  The key term is work.  People
who work do more than sit around pretending to know something.  I was
picking oranges in Glendale, Arizona, when a fellow orange picker took
a book about Einstein's theory out of a box of discarded books at a
library and gave it to me.  I took it back to camp and read it.  I
would probably never have read a book about Einstein's theory if that
had not happened.

Neat history, but maybe you should pick up a better book. But even if
you did, its' too late. You are far too invested in arguing against
Einstein - you aren't going to change your mind after eleven recorded
years of writing stupid things about relativity, now are you?

   Einstein was a lot smarter than anyone since who has tried to use
his theory.  At least Einstein could see problems with his theory and
make note of them, one of which was the changing value of pi, which
was mentioned in the first book I read about the theory.

That book was discarded for a reason.

    What you have to understand is that mathematics is not a
democracy.  It does not matter how many college graduates repeat a
mistake.  The mistake will never become correct mathematics.  That is
just the way it is.  Sorry.
Robert B. Winn

That's right - math is not a democracy. Neither is physics. It doesn't
matter how many years you complain about it, or how many long winded
posts you write to USENET. If SR ever fails, it will not be because
someone failed to understand how to transform between frames.

The mathematics for special relativity are internally consistent no
matter how hard you stamp your feet. Special relativity has yet to be
falsified within its' domain of application - and not for lack of
trying.
.

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