Re: Circular motion in SR

On Mar 27, 10:57�am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 27, 12:16�pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:


Well, welders actually do some work. �If a welder makes bad welds, he
gets fired.

Exactly. So do scientists. If they do bad work, they get fired.
Scientists work too. Most of them work longer hours than welders and
most of them get paid less than welders for that. The average post-doc
researcher makes about $30k a year and works between 75 and 90 hours a
week. That works out to $7.50/hr. Still think it's a cushy job.

Well, my father knew some scientists who were making more than that.
He knew Werner von Braun,

Werner Von Braun's salary was not $30k/year. It was $17k/year. I don't
know where you got information otherwise.
Seventeen thousand per year in 1946 was a lot of money. Gasoline cost
about 8% of what it does now back then. A new car was about 10% of
what one is now.
Housing was even less.



and he knew a guy named Jerry Sams who used
to come and see him in Montana. �Jerry Sams had a company that made
schematics for television sets. �I noticed that now Sams is publishing
computer books, etc.

While you're at it, why don't you malign nursing by telling them
they're there to make more people sick to make more demand for nurses,
and malign car mechanics by telling them they're there to break cars
so that there will be more demand for car mechanics, and malign
accountants by telling them they are there to lose money so that there
will be more demand for accountants?

I did not really see the need for it, but now that you mention nurses,
several have gone to prison in my lifetime for killing patients. �Why
do you suppose they do that? �Then my friend took his car to a
mechanic for some work after replacing parts on his brakes. �The
mechanic told him that the brake parts he had just replaced needed
replacing because they were worn. �Now that you mention it,
accountants who go to prison for embezzlement are usually replaced by
other accountants.

So everyone is dishonorable except for welders.
So why aren't you polluting accounting newsgroups and nursing
newsgroups and auto mechanic newsgroups telling them that they are all
wasting your money, sapping the economy, and you know better than they
do what they should be doing?

Well, welders are not any better. �Some welders who worked at the
steel fabrication place next to the one where I worked broke in and
stole a bunch of stuff one night. �One of the welders they stole
belonged to me. �The owner of the company bought me a new welder so I
could keep working because the police were holding mine as evidence.

Good, then maybe you should be contributing to welding newsgroups,
where at least you know what you're talking about.

Well, I don't think that if you went into a welding newsgroup and
said, I do not know much about welding, but I have a question about
such and such, that you would be treated the way scientists treat
people they consider uninformed here. Welders are fairly territorial,
but not like scientists.



Everybody's out to cheat you and obfuscate the truth for you, aren't
they? And they're watching you, too, just in case you show signs of
getting wise to them. And then they'll come and start taking things
from you, all dressed up with fake documents like "repossession
orders" and "court summons". And if you didn't keep your shotgun
loaded, they'd take you out one night while you're watching game
shows.

Well you missed on that one. �I do not have any guns. �I have never
bought anything on credit. �When I see a court summons with my name on
it I see it as an opportunity to talk to lawyers in court, one of my
favorite things in the whole world. �As far as everyone being out to
cheat me, it would not make any difference to me. �I would not do
things different if they were.

What would happen if people were to begin to understand that the
equations scientists use are not the all-explaining answers that
scientists represent them to be?
Robert B. Winn

They know that already. That's why folks are still doing research. If
we thought the work was done, everyone would find more lucrative jobs
than what they're doing now.

Folks are doing research because they get government grants to do
research.

Uh, no. How do you imagine it happens? You think the government says:
"OK we got a couple hundred million here for the taking? Who wants
some? Line up here. Those who are looking for work can do research for
the government." Is that what you suppose?

Well. Congress appropriates research money for some very odd things.
The distance contraction has been a real cash cow for scientists over
the years.

Really? How much do you think would have been saved if it had never
been used?
And please back that claim up.

Well, the Manhattan Project was fairly cheap, about 13 million
dollars, if my memory serves correctly.

It doesn't. You're off by two orders of magnitude. Geez, your grasp of
basic facts is pretty fast- Hide quoted text -
Well, so what did it cost?

Robert B. Winn
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