Re: Had enough of the newsgroup scum

In sci.physics.relativity, Androcles
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| In sci.physics.relativity, Randy Poe
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| on Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
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| > On Mar 25, 1:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
| > <ew...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
| >> In sci.physics.relativity, Randy Poe
| >> <poespam-t...@xxxxxxxxx>
| >> wrote
| >> on Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT)
| >> <dbf53f72-ea5f-4648-8ae6-cad2bfc3c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> > On Mar 24, 10:15 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
| >> >> "Randy Poe" <poespam-t...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >>
| >>
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| >> >> | On Mar 22, 11:04 pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
| >> >> | > If you are an astrophysicist you should wake up to the fact that
all
| >> >> starlight
| >> >> | > DOES NOT move towards little planet Earth at precisely c.
| >> >> |
| >> >> | Can you point to an experimental measurement of light
| >> >> | moving at a speed different from c?
| >>
| >> >> Of course. Blue shift/red shift is often observed.
| >>
| >> > Can you point to an experimental measurement of light
| >> > moving at a speed different from c?
| >>
| >> Androcles does have a point. Absent a more precise
| >> definition, a blue-shifted light beam might indeed be
| >> going faster than c, and a red-shifted light beam slower.
| >
| > Right. Or either one might have any speed at
| > all, barring other knowledge gained from experiment.
| >
| > c = lambda*f
| >
| > If all you have is lambda, c might be any
| > (positive) value at all.
| >
| >> Of course other experiments are not consistent with
| >> that result, and I was under the impression that rather
| >> sensitive speed measurements getting both wavelength and
| >> frequency have precluded speed differences.
| >
| > Correct again.
| >
| > Androcles likes to pretend he's invoking Ockham's
| > Razor. Let's apply Sir William's principle to two
| > hypotheses:
| >
| > (1) Light is light. The way it acts on earth tells
| > us how light from the stars behaves.
|
| Pedant Point: within vacuo. Within air there's
| the 1.0008 refractive index to consider. I'll
| admit it's not all that much.

Doesn't affect Sagnac much.

Doesn't affect it at all.

However you look at it though,
the rays are still c+v and c-v and still produce the requisite shift,
whether the velocities be source or target (observer) dependent.
That's what makes MMX important, it proves source dependency.

MMX proves nothing. All of nBat, BaTh and SR provide the
exact same results for MMX. SR of course is automatically
rejected because it's cuckoo.


| Since the average gas density is 1 atom per cubic
| centimeter,

Pedant Point:
Prove it, crank.
[rest snipped by A for brevity]


OK, assumed 1 atom per cubic centimeter. Did you have an alternate
density that you'd prefer?

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