Re: I have a question about relativity so that I do not become another crackpot.

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| on Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
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| > On Apr 12, 8:17 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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| >> | > "Jim Newman" <j...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| >> | > | "Androcles" <Headmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| >> | > | > Why do you continue to bluff and back a dead man who said the
| >> | > | > "time" required by light to travel from A to B equals the
"time" it
| >> | > | > requires to travel from B to A'?
| >> | > | > Most normal people would have the "oh, crap" moment, crumple up
| >> | > | > the ridiculous postulate and chuck it in the trash. But then
| >> | you'd have
| >> | > | > to admit you were wrong and you'd rather bluff because you are
a
| >> true
| >> | > | > fuckwit.
| >> | > |
| >> | > |
| >> | > | If I measure the distance between A and B I would expect it to be
the
| >> | > | same as the distance between B and A, wouldn't you?
| >> | > Yes.
| >> | > |
| >> | > | and light travels at the same speed in both directions, so what's
the
| >> | > | problem.
| >> | >
| >> | > Not according to the pisspot Einstein, he says it travels at c+v
| >> | > one way and c-v the other, that's the problem.
| >> |
| >> | He uses those terms in the calculation,
| >>
| >> Ok, that's the problem.
| >
| > You interrupted in mid-sentence again, you sanctimonious, hypocritical
| > vandal.
|
| And this is a problem precisely...why? At least he marks
| it as an interruption (though I'm wondering why some of
| his posts show bars or chevrons, others do not, and the
| latest crop of Androcles posts are coming through starting
| with the signature delimiter, making it difficult for
| proper direct reply for me), and in any event he is free
| to edit his reply as he sees fit, with the proviso that
| misrepresenting the previous poster's position is going to
| annoy a lot of people, the previous poster included -- but
| this is not a misrepresentation, merely an interruption.
|
| >
| > Now, answer the question or don't answer the question, and put your
| > reply here.
|
| Erm...which question? He did answer the question above:
|
| "If I measure the distance between A and B I would expect it to
| be the same as the distance between B and A, wouldn't you?"
|
| (the answer was "Yes").
|
| The other question, which Androcles doesn't answer, is
| also above, but it has an assumption that he rejects.

Interruption necessary, a falsehood has been stated.
I did clearly state that Einstein uses c+v and c-v for the speed
and that's the problem (which answers the second question, "what's the
problem" (without a question mark terminator, a common trait of the
nymshifting cretin asking the questions and telling me what Einstein
doesn't say).
Einstein does NOT say "Obama for president" and I don't give a
flying *** if he did or he didn't.


| The assumption, of course, is that light travels from
| A to B with the same speed as B to A; Androcles is quite
| clear on this point. The question is "What's the problem?"

The problem is: Einstein uses c+v and c-v.

| Rejection of the assumption renders this question slightly
| meaningless, although since Androcles has already fouled up
| the maths involved in other posts I'm not sure his answer
| is all that meaningful either.

Lying fucker. Einstein has fouled up the math.


|
| (As far as I'm concerned, t_AB = t_BA has been shown
| by a number of experiments, though I'd have to find
| the specifics. One of them, of course, was MMX itself;
| the calculations of a canoeist or airliner going through
| headwinds, tailwinds, and crabwinds [using Newtonian computations]
| yield different results, yet MMX showed a minimal fringe shift.
| Not sure MMX can show a fringe shift less than 0.2, mostly because
| the interferometer rings are not that easy to observe -- but one
| can make the legs longer. Some variants of MMX did just that.)

Agreed.

MMX uses a micrometer screw thread to adjust the leg lengths, your
comment on that point is moot.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mmx.gif

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mmx4dummies.htm


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|
| >
| >>
| >> | but nowhere does he say that
| >> | light travels at different speeds in different directions for any
single
| >> | observer.
| >>
| >> I don't give a flying *** what he doesn't say, he uses those terms
| >> in the crank calculation and gets crackpots like you to swallow it.
| >>
| >> | Of course, if you swap from one observer to another you might
| >> | get confused.
| >>
| >> Of course, if you understood mathematics you would not be a crank,
| >> but you don't and so you are.
| >>
| >> | > Catch 22:
| >> | >
| >> | > A) If you use c+v you can write:
| >> | >
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
| >> | > (which is nonsense anyway.)
| >> | >
| >> | > B) From that you can derive the cuckoo malformations:
| >> | >
| >> | >
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img53.gif
| >> | >
| >> | > C) From that you arrive at:
| >> |
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
| >> | >
| >> | > which says you cannot use c+v.
| >> | >
| >> | > D) Go to A).
| >> | >
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