Re: CODATA's Value for Hydrogen's Rydberg Constant R_H


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OK this is my last post on this.

You can be a "good" scientist and find R_H on your own. Take
the
experimental values for the transitions given in the CODATA
then
choose your favorite series Balmer, Lyman etc. extract out an
R_H.
Of
course the actual physical data doesn't exactly fit to either
of
these, because of QED, and is only an approximation but I did
this
for
a couple of points and got to within 10 wavenumbers of the QED
theoretical.

You are free to believe what you want and I look forward to
seeing
you
in Stockholm.

cheers,
kp


I believe any transition frequencies given by CODATA have been
adjusted
to
agree with QED. I do not believe CODATA is consciously doing
anything
dishonest or "sneaky," quite the contrary, they think they
should
do
this
because of their belief that QED is physically correct. Like I
said,
I
knew
you guys would simply not accept this. It is obvious to me what
has
happened. These "empirically-only-based" experiments are simply
restating
the original work of Balmer and Rydberg. For something as
"simple"
as
hydrogen, we do not need complicated equations to find an
accurate,
unbiased
quantification of its ground state binding energy. Fortunately,
the
only
needed equations are quite simple, only a least squares linear
straight
line
fit is needed, and given good, accurate unbiased spectroscopic
data,
when
can find the slope of the line (which is R_H) with little
standard
error.

You don't have to contribute anymore, kp. Because the work of
Balmer
and
Rydberg was so "fundamental," I should be able to find many
examples
of
this
simple, parsimonious way to accurately quantify hydrogen's true
R_H
and
ground state binding energy, which is basically what all of
these
college
experiments are doing. I hope to post several examples, but
Herman
and
Wolf's recounting is so straight forward and clear, it's
beautiful,
isn't
it.

Now the big problem lay before us: Why does the spectroscopic
data
not
show
any relativistic effects? This is a "null result" that imo,
fundamentally
needs to be explained.

Thanks for your help, but in closing this post I must say this.
You
have
asked me to provide top quality references, which this last one
is,
and
if
you actually did not go to this famous text book and look at the
pages
I
referenced, sir, I have every right to say you can go straight
to
hell.

Steve Bell


Here is another link that shows the non-relativistic R_H:

http://courses.washington.edu/phys331/HD_mass_theory.pdf

And, I'm sure, there is more are to come. All one has to do is
google
hydrogen spectroscopic data balmer rydberg.

Steve Bell



Here is Wikipedia' site. You can click on its links to get to a
quoted
non-relativistic R_H:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmer_series

I intend to flood the intractable QM devotees on this list with so
many
reference, you all can go straight to hell if you do not accept
this.

Steve Bell



Here is another reference that quoted the non-relativistic
experimental
R_H:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath538/kmath538.htm

And on and on I go...

Steve Bell



Here is another link that quotes the non-relativistic R_H:

http://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/reference/plambeck/chem1/p01214.htm

It states it is "one of the most accurately measured fundamental
constants
of the universe."

I'm having fun here....

Steve Bell



Here's another reference:

www.physics.smu.edu/~coan/1314/labs/h2.doc

I'm seeing a trend here. It is actually academia, not CODATA, that know
how
to derive unbiased estimates of R_H.

Steve Bell



Here is another reference:

http://www.smallscalechemistry.colostate.edu/PowerfulPictures/SpectroscopyAndTheStars.pdf

And I don't care if you tell me to shut up.

More to come....

Steve Bell


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