Re: Are *observed* SR effects real?

On Jul 7, 12:40 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 7, 11:11 am, Shubee <e.Shu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 7, 10:35 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The absence of an absolute and undetectable frame of reference is not
one of Einstein's postulates. Do you need the postulates reiterated
for you? Be sure you don't confuse a postulate from what you consider
an implication of a postulate; that would be the equivalent to
confusing an axiom with a theorem.

The original relativity theory of Poincaré and Lorentz most certainly
agreed with the constancy of light postulate

Yes.

and affirmed the undetectability of
any absolute frame of reference.

Sorry, that's not part of the postulate.

I was referring to the original theory of relativity according to
Poincaré. "He discussed the 'principle of relative motion' in two
papers in 1900 and named it the principle of relativity in 1904,
according to which no mechanical or electromagnetic experiment can
discriminate between a state of uniform motion and a state of rest."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9

Since the original
theory of relativity is self-consistent, the theorem in Einsteinian
relativity, wherever it came from, that there is no absolute frame of
reference, is either false or a hidden third metaphysical postulate.

BS.

How is the original relativity of Poincaré internally inconsistent?

Shubee

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