Re: A silly fact about an atomic clock that relativist never want you to know.

On Jul 14, 8:20 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
PD wrote:
On Jul 14, 12:37 pm, "Spaceman" <space...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
PD wrote:
No, you're right. A straight beampipe starts at one elevation and
goes to a different one. But you missed what I just said. Particles
going through the same beampipe at *different* speeds get
*different* time dilations, even though they are going through the
*same* variation in the gravitational field.

The variation in the differential changes would of course make
different changes in any clock doing such speeds.

Please understand cause and effect. If you
have two objects that exhibit DIFFERENT effects and they are subject
to the SAME influence, then the influence cannot possibly be the
cause of the effect.

Different speeds, is not the "same influence" PD.

Yes, but you don't think that different speeds are what's responsible.
You think g-forces are responsible for time dilation.

G-force changes are what causes such. the speed will just cause
the g-force change to occur faster or slower.
If you move fast through different gravitational potentials,
you will simply get a higher rate of change.

Explain how. I've already mentioned an empirical result: Particles
traveling through the *same* pipe through the *same* changes in g-
forces at different speeds exhibit *different* time dilation. Now if
the amount of time dilation is caused by the amount of g-forces or the
amount of changes of g-forces, here you've got two different outcomes
for the same g-force conditions. So explain the *different* outcomes.


Here you have different particles with different speeds but the *same*
variation in g-forces, and they have *different* time dilations.

You have different variations because you have different time frame
for each g-force potential change.

And why does that matter? How does this work, Spaceman?


Please put the beer down and try to think coherently.

I don't drink, I think you need to put the hard stuff away,
or maybe whatever you are smoking or popping.

Don't drink, don't smoke, don't pop.


Different speeds are not the "same variation change"
And even relativity gets that right most of the time.
Usually refered to as "relative" mass.

Are you *sure* that's what it's called? Try again.

What do you think relative mass is called?

I told you already. You seemed to have missed it.


Right, but you don't think relativistic mass (an SR prediction) is
what's responsible. You think g-forces are.

the g-force changes are what causes the malfunction,
the speed changes going through different g-force changes
cause the variance in such malfunctions.

OK, so it appears you can't decide between the time dilation being due
to g-forces or due to relativistic mass. And you've explained nothing
about how *either* of them produces time dilation. And why is it the
same size effect observed for a cesium clock as it is for a muon half-
life clock? Do the g-forces affect both those clocks in *exactly* the
same way? Why? Do g-forces affect a quartz wristwatch and a pendulum
in exactly the same way?

Sheesh PD.
I have explained this to you.
It is sad you still can't get such basics about clock
malfunctions.

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman

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