Re: Are *observed* SR effects real?

On Jul 27, 3:58 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 27, 3:13 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jul 24, 8:36 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 24, 9:22 am, mluttg...@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
[...]

And no such huge speed was implied. As I already mentioned to you, H&K
performed their experiments at speeds much, much lower than even
0.00001c.

H&K was not a thought experiment.

Neither was H&K supportive of Special Relativity because
it failed to demonstrate:

<<... Einstein's relativity principle, which states that:

    All inertial frames are totally equivalent for
    the performance of all physical experiments.http://farside.ph..utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html

Sue...

You haven't answered the question I asked you earlier:
What would have been the result from an H&K-type experiment that you
thing WOULD have supported the principle of relativity?

Compare Marcel's summaryhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/85b46fc73e9...
With Neil Ashby's article:

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=articl....http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/articlese5.ht...

Without the ability to exclude Sagnac
and nuclear resonance from the actual experiment
They seem to have it about right.

http://nobelprize.org/physics/articles/ekspong/index.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter_theory

Outside our solar system, where a
gravito-inertial field should be isotropic
and the mass distribution homogenous,
we would expect the field of half the matter
in the universe moving toward us
to be canceled by the field of  half the matter
of the universe moving away from us.

With an isotropic field surrounding
our ship and surrounding ships moving relative to us
our billard table, our clock, our hair growth
or our burning candles or the same objects
in any similar ship moving relative to us
should be unaffected by our motion relative
to another ship or anything else.

This is in accord with << Einstein's relativity
principle, which states that:

    All inertial frames are totally equivalent
    for the performance of all physical experiments.

In other words, it is impossible to perform a
physical experiment which differentiates in any
fundamental sense between different inertial
frames. By definition, Newton's laws of motion
take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special
theory of relativity by asserting that all laws
of physics take the same form in all inertial
frames. >>

Sue...


You didn't answer the question. It's a rather simple question, really.
What would have been the result from an H&K-type experiment that you
think WOULD have supported the principle of relativity?

I don't need references to ancillary topics, nor others' opinions on
this or related matters. I'm asking YOU what the result from an H&K-
type experiment would have been that YOU think would have supported
the principle of relativity.

PD
.

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