Re: Faster than Light?

On Jul 31, 1:23 am, Peri of Pera <rie...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 30, 4:02 am, "Ben Bean" <ken_scrapthis_vi...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Peri of Pera wrote:
On Jul 29, 10:17 pm, "Ben Bean" <ken_scrapthis_vi...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Faster than Light?

The theory of relativity claims that the motion of physical objects
cannot exceed a speed of 300,000km/sec. However, we know from
experience (e.g. equatorial rocket launchings, multistage rocket
vehicles etc) that the final velocity of objects is their starting
velocity plus their own velocity.

"Their OWN velocity"?? What the heck is meant by that, pray tell! No
mister, an
object's final velocity is clearly NOT what you formulate. An
object's OWN velocity
equals precisely ZERO -- that much is obvious. It's obvious because
"space" is a
non-existent (imaginary) substrate. An object "in space" has no
velocity *relative* to
said "space", because "space" is not a THING, but rather it is the
ABSENCE of any
thing.

So the answer to the quandary lies in identifying what an object's
velocity is AS
ASSESSED from another observation platform. That ALONE has any
substantive meaning! So
all motion of material objects IS relative. No object can move at or
above light speed
AS ASSESSED from another observation platform. It's childish
fiddle-faddle to think
that an object has some real value for its velocity relative to
space itself; as that
notion was disproven ages ago, by indisputable reckoning of
top-notcch physicists.

Mr Bean,
in my example, the rockets 'own speed' of 100km/sec is relative to the
spaceship and the speed of the spaceship is relative to its homeport.
I agree with you that science has not been able to identify absolute
speeds.

Peter Riedt

In your first post, you said, "SR cannot provide evidence
or even a theory to explain how the reduction is possible or occurs". But it does.
Briefly, it is because the Number Line representing velocity is not a flat continuum,
light speed is its upper limit, and that speed is tantamount to an infinity. Velocity
is
a number line askew, which skew cuts in to both the temporal and spatial cocmponents.
See my site for more explanationshttp://placido.u21.0web-hosting.com/kavs/kjs/relrap.html

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Mr Bean,
number line, flat continuum, temporal and spatial components, mumbo
jumbo. Lets go back to our agreement that absolute speed does not
exist. The relative speeds of all objects in the universe may vary
from each other in a range of anything of less than 0km/sec to more
than 300000km/sec. I know of no regulatory force or power consisten
with logic that can or will set a maximum limit,

The difficulty, you see, is that you are searching the wrong
inventory, trusting that the answer must be available in your library
of logical arguments or so-far-collected regulatory forces.

You do not acknowledge the right of Nature to surprise you with an
experimental result that defies your current inventory. This is the
difference between what you do and what a scientist does. The
scientist relishes experimental results that are not consistent with
ANYTHING accountable by his present inventory. That is what allows a
deeper understanding of how nature really works.

You, apparently, are willing to simply disregard any experimental
result if you cannot make sense of it with your present inventory of
causes and arguments.

especially since the
ether has been abolished. My spaceship took off from earth which
imparted its velocity through space (whatever it is) to the spaceship
which in turn imparted its speed to the rocket, the three motions
adding up to more than 300000km/sec. Once the rocket separated from
the spaceship, what magic told the rocket it was going faster than
AE's speed limit? What magic agent tells the spaceship it must ignore
the speed of planet earth and what magic agent tells the rocket it
must ignore the speeds of both earth and spaceship? The AE dogma of
the addition of velocities proposition is absurd in the extreme. A
rigorous experiment to prove or disprove it is impossible and
therefore the adherents of the SR belief system can use any bull***
to support it.

Peter Riedt

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