Re: The relativity of simultaneity

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On Jul 22, 9:38 pm, gl...@xxxxxxx wrote:
Ken Seto wrote,
< Therefore if the strikes occur simultaneously at equal distance then
he will observe them to be simultaneous. >
  "Simultaneously" as measured by him is not the same as it is as
measured on the track.
I agree...so what is your point? The track observer will see the
flashes to be simultaneous at time 0.5L/c. The track observer will
predict that the train observer sees the flashes to be simultaneous at
time 0.5L*gamma/c according to the track clock.
Which means that whenever the train's speed exceeds c*sqrt(0.5), the
train observer won't see the light flash until AFTER he's passed the
place where the lightning struck the track.  Setoland sure is a funny
place - I can see why you spend so much time ROTFLOL.
Indeed ROTFLOL....the two light rays that hits M were absorbed by M.
Two different light rays from the expanding light spheres will hit M'.
What this mean is that your are ROTFLOL at your own stupidity. LOL.
M' is between M and a light source, and you "think" light from the
source gets "absorbed by M" and that prevents it from reaching M'?
That's how Einstein's gedanken set up. He said that the reat light ray
will hit M (and thus absorbed by M) but then it continue on to hit M'
which is impossible since it has already been absorbed.
I didn't think that at all. I think that two light rays from the light
spheres will hit M simultaneously and two different light rays from
the light spheres will hit M' simultaneously.
Seto, M' is between M and the light source that M' is heading toward -
it's obvious to 4-year olds that the light reaches M' before it
reaches M.
It is not obvious at all. In the train frame the train observer is not
moving wrt the light fronts at all. In case you are too stupid to
understand ....that's the reason why the train observer measures the
speed of light to be isotropic. The two light rays that hit M'
simultaneously will take a longer time to reach M' than the light rays
that hit M.
You've got yourself all confused, Seto.  Let's do it in baby steps.
Suppose M' (i.e. the train observer) is BIG, i.e. REAL BIG (see
picture below).  How is the light from the rightmost light source (S)
going to get by M' in order to reach M (i.e. the track observer)?
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 M........M'|...........S
ROTFLOL.....
Stop rolling around on the floor like a demented loon for long enough
to answer the simple question you were asked, Seto.  Is the light from
S going to reach M, if M' is BIG (i.e., tall and wide)?  Yes or no?
Sigh....you tell me....you were the one who said that the light from S
will go through the M' legs.
What I actually said was that the horizontally directed light from the
source would reach M because it would diffract around M', or go
through his legs.  I could've also said it was because M' was
transparent.  When you raise irrelevant objections, Seto, expect to
get patronizing responses.
It is not irrelevant objection. It is the heart of what's wrong with
the RoS. It has a wrong model for the propagation of light.
If you want to know what my theory saysssss;
I suppose
You *suppose*?  Don't you understand your "theory" well enough to
*know* what it says?
that it depends on how big M' is and what is the state of
absolute motion of M and M' and the distance of separation between M
and M'.
So you acknowledge that, in Seto theory, it's possible for M' to be
big enough to prevent the light from S from reaching M.  Is that
right?  Yes or no?
Sure if M is directly behind M' but he is not so it is not possible
for light from S not to reach M.
Make up your mind, Seto.  So now you claim that according to Seto
Theory, it's *not* possible for M' to be big enough to prevent the
light from reaching M.  Is that right?  Yes or no?

Why are you trying to change the subject? We were talking about what
SR said.

Would you like to talk about what SR says, Seto?  Do you think you can
do that without bringing up "light path lengths" and "absolute
motions", about which SR says NOTHING?  Let's see.

Sigh....I am giving you an alternate explanation why the SR assertion
of RoS is wrong.


OK, Seto, according to SR, can M' be made big (i.e. tall and wide)
enough to prevent the light from reaching M?  Yes or no?

I am not in a mood to play game with you. You tell us what is your
point of the question then we can discuss.
If you are trying to prove that M' sees the light front from S before
M then you are wrong. A light ray R1 from S will follow the x-axis in
the M frame to arrive at M. A different light ray R2 from S will
follow the x'-axis in the M' frame to arrive at M'.
R1 will arrive at M at an earlier time because it has a shorter light
path length than R2.






Ken Seto

In fact a light ray from S will reach
M before a different light ray will reach M'. Why? Because M' has a
higher state of absolute motion than M. In case you are too stupid to
understand that means that light ray from S will have to travel a
longer distance to reacc M'
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