Re: transformation equations

On Sep 26, 2:28�pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 26, 11:38 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Sep 26, 5:28 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 26, 2:24 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 25, 9:38 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 25, 2:14 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 25, 5:25 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 24, 11:41 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 24, 9:03 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 24, 10:50 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

The Lorentz equations probably do not impress me as much as a
scientist like you would think they should.
Robert B. Winn

Actually, I don't expect you to be impressed by anything you don't
care about or anything you do not understand. Why would you think I
would?

You're a welder. You have absolutely no interest in whether the
Lorentz equations are right or not. They have absolutely no effect on
your life whatsoever. Neither does levee repair or the naval base in
the Phillipines, but you've been paying taxes to support those as
well. I'm quite certain your not as impressed by those as some people
(none of which are scientists) perhaps think you should.

PD

Uh huh.

I'm glad you acknowledge that.

So why are you so opposed to discussing velocity?

I'm not at all opposed to discussing velocity, as long as we're
talking about real velocity and physics. But pointing to equations
where a "v" appears and announcing that "v" stands for velocity, and
then asking a question about mathematics -- that isn't really talking
about velocity or physics. Neither would writing a post that said,
"Then place the velocity fat-side up under the broiler, basting the
velocity with pan drippings every few minutes," and then asking a
question about cooking.

If you want to talk about velocity and physics, we can certainly do
that. So far you've shown no interest in talking about either.. All
you've done so far is dangle rotten conversational bait in the water,
seeing if anyone else will bite.

We can also talk about things in reality that are known, as evidenced
by experiment, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether you
believe it, are impressed by it, or whether you think the people who
study it are worth your tax dollars.

So... what do you want to talk about, Robert? Physics? Or do you want
to talk about whether you are impressed, or whether you believe it, or
whether you think scientists are honest or overpaid for what they do?

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Well, they are certainly overpaid until they come up with an
explanation of how a slow running clock and a fast running clock come
up with the same velocity for the same moving frame of reference.

Why would you say that? Just because they use public funds does not
mean that they owe you a convincing. Where on earth would you get that
idea? If you want to be convinced, then you will have to do some
additional work and possibly lay out some money for that. Got a
problem with that?

Well, yes, I do have a problem with people who think they are entitled
to public revenues just because they are part of an organized raid on
public revenues. You can see what results from this kind of
government. I really think that people who believe in European
socialism would be happier in Europe.

They are not *entitled* for public revenues. They compete for them.
And you elect people to office with the charge of allocating those
public revenues wisely. And you pay taxes to fund those public
revenues. I really think that people who don't believe in a funded
federal government would be happier in an a country that doesn't
collect taxes for public funding at all.

PD-

That sounds like a good idea to me.

Great. Now, are you one to act on good ideas, or do you prefer to sit
and whine about your present conditions?

As for the rest, I've highlighted with asterisks the most amusing
statements you made below. One word of advice. Since you have so much
trouble luring fish with rancid, overused bait, I think you'll find
that turning on a trolling motor in the middle of all that will not
get nibbles any faster.

No doubt you have some friends
who are mortgage bankers. �I do not have any friends in that
profession. �When this credit crisis hit, many of my friends, who are
construction workers, lost their jobs.

* According to you and your friends, they were the cause of this
problem and should be punished.*

* Now you are saying that the good people, you and your mortgage
banker friends, should be given 700 billion dollars from public
revenues because of this problem that construction workers caused.*

�But I think you are breaking it down in an oversimplified manner.

* To you a good person is a person who gets money from the
government.*
[This one was especially priceless. I know that to you, any person
that gets money from the government is a bad person. I gather that you
then use your wondrous powers of logic to conclude that anyone who
disagrees with you is saying that a good person is a person who gets
money from the government.]

* That is why you think construction workers are evil and should lose
their jobs.*

But what about mortgage bankers? �Well, even though they were not
getting money directly from the government before this happened, what
they were doing was mandated by laws. �In other words, no one could
buy or build a house without paying mortgage bankers.

* In your mind, that makes them similar enough to scientists so that
you believe they should also get money directly from the government.*

And the government exists to print money so that people who get
money from the government can have the money they are entitled to
get. �I think after a while, though, you are going to find that the
money you get from the government is not worth anything.

Bobby, I think you need to sue the government for that psychiatric
treatment they gave you for free at the VA Hospital. It was your taxes
that paid for it, and it obviously did you more harm than good.

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Well, I am sure you do believe I should become another person getting
money from the government. I think that if I were to do that, you
might think you could respect me. However, I am not interested in
it. My attitude toward this government is about identical to the
attitude of Abraham toward the government of Sodom.
21 And the King of Sodom said unto Abram, .....take the goods to
thyself.
22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand
unto the Lord, the most high Gld, the possessor of heaven and earth,
23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that
I will not take any thing that is thine.

There is nothing there that I want.
I pay taxes to it, but that is all it means to me.

So why don't you want to talk about anything except money?
Robert B. Winn

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