Re: Contraction has been abolished by Special Relativity

On Oct 10, 4:53 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 10, 5:40 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Oct 9, 9:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 9, 3:53 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 9, 5:18 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 9, 5:22 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 8, 5:34 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 8, 7:17 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Really? Who fed you when you were in the military? Who paid for your
gear and your bunk? Who funded your treatment when you got home?

People
who actually work have less time to spend at the library than
scientists and other people who spend large amounts of time at the
library. Secondly, small town libraries do not have much other than
books for children and women.

You have not heard of interlibrary loan? How many excuses can you
offer for not wanting to get out of the house and walk a half hour to
look something up?

I don't need to look it up. If there was something to look up, you
could put it here in sci.physics.relativity.

No, I don't think that's an accurate statement, Bobby. You want
everything spoon-fed to you here, and you can't think of any reason
why people can't do that for you. There is a reason (several in fact)
why it is in the library and not copied for your convenience in
Usenet. It would be a copyright violation, for one thing; are you
asking people to break the law just because you don't want to walk a
half hour to the the library? Secondly, there are equations and
figures that are important to the expression of the result that are
difficult to render in ascii; to you want to shoehorn a presentation
into an unsuitable medium just because you don't want to walk a half
hour to the library? If you find it difficult to understand why the
world is not laid at your feet without you having to remove your rear
end from your chair, Bobby, I can understand why you are in such a
state of mental torpor. I don't find people that are so lazy that they
don't understand why things aren't delivered at their feet to be very
worthy of sympathy, do you?

Since you cannot,
obviously there is no need to go to the library.
As far as what I did in the military, people in the military do not
have a choice about what they do.

Did you accept the pay from taxpayers?

I did have a choice about what I
did when they put me in the psychiatric ward of a V.A. hospital. I
escaped.

Did you escape because you didn't want to cost the taxpayers any more
of their money?

Did you escape along a paved road or a sidewalk that was paid for by
taxpayers?

Are you on city water or did you dig your own well?

If you really don't want to accept any money or services from a
corrupt government, Bobby, I can suggest a solution. It will require
getting your rear end out of a chair, though.

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The farm where I live has its own well. The part of the farm that is
now in tract houses supplies water to the city from the wells that are
on that land. A couple of weeks ago I did some welding on the well
casing for the farm well while they were changing the pump. Why is
it that you think all people just sit and wait for government money
the way you do?

Well, personally I don't anymore, just like you. I'm not funded by the
government either, though I'm a scientist. You see, there are
scientists who are not funded by the government, too, and they're
doing good work. Perhaps you didn't know that.

I escaped from the V. A. hospital because they had no legal reason
to hold me there. According to the paper work, I was free to leave
any time, but the only way I found to leave was to escape.
What is your reason for wanting to discuss these things in a
newsgroup about relativity?

Well, Robert, we're getting around to how relativists are funded,
which is appropriate for this group, I think. And since you really
don't care one way or the other whether relativity is correct, it's
more constructive to have a conversation about something that does
matter to you -- how your taxes are spent.

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Well, I would rather discuss relativity because I think I may have
found a way to explain it to scientists using the Michelson-Morley
apparatus.

Well, before you get too far (whoops, too late), I just need to point
out that there are about two hundred experiments that have been done
in the 120 years since Michelson and Morley, all of which are
completely independent of, and do not rely in any way on, the MM
experiment -- all of whose results are accurately predicted by
relativity.

And so any effort on your part to "explain relativity" in terms of
your own view of the MM experiment has no effect on the preponderance
of experimental support for relativity. If the MM experiment had
*never happened*, relativity would be on the same solid experimental
ground as it is now.

Yes, and Ptolemy explained the solar system in a manner that satisfied
scientists for centuries.

Except that they really didn't have the scientific method in place
then. When *prediction* became as important as *postdiction*, then
Ptolemy's scheme seemed a lot less savory.

 All you had to do was understand epicycles,
similar to the way modern scientists understand the length
contraction.

Relativity makes a great deal of predictions. So far, you are only
having luck accounting for one experiment 120 years ago.

Thank you for sharing your ideas, PD.
Robert B. Winn

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