Re: ABOUT THE GALILEI PRINCIPLE OF RELATIVITY

On Nov 18, 7:47�am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:08�am, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 18, 6:28 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 17, 6:28 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I don't think relativity changed anything about where physicists get
funding. Why do you think relativity has anything to do with how
physicists get, or have ever gotten, funding?

Well, because Congress votes from time to time how much money they are
going to give scientists for accellerators, colliders, and other toys
they want to play with.

That's true, but that didn't just suddenly start happening in 1905. I
still don't know why you think relativity has anything to do with the
pattern of public investment in science. There is more money poured
into medical research by the government than there is into physics.
This suggests to me that the vaccination for polio is more responsible
for public funding for science than relativity. Why aren't you
complaining about the polio vaccine?

Why would I complain about polio vaccine? Nobody gave Jonas Salk 700
billion dollars.



It does not look to me as though you would want to
discuss something that you claim is a mystery

I don't recall ever claiming it is a mystery. I do recall saying that
it matches real experimental measurements, which is how the truth of
theories is checked.

The truth of only one theory is checked, and only to the extent that
it can be said to be verified in some way.

That is a simple error of fact, Bobby. Alternative theories have been
continually checked the whole time, and public funds have been spent
doing so. Does this surprise you?

No. You scientists would select various alternatives that have the
same direction that you want to take in order to increase the amount
of public money given to scientists and, at the same time, pretend
that you are considering other ideas.

There is no scientist in
education or research who wants to kill this cash cow.

On the contrary, killing relativity would immediately generate a Nobel
prize and a rash of new funding. It would seem to be more motivating
to try to kill it.

Well, I don't think so. The entire world would be disillusioned to
discover how dense scientists really are. I think that this kind of
society is going to do whatever it takes to keep scientists in a
position they can venerate. That means that any rational explanation
of relativity is going to be unpopular.

entitling you to receive
taxpayer money.

I recall telling you that my work is not funded by taxpayer money, so
you surely must be using an editorial "you". Furthermore, I don't
recall ever saying that I feel physicists are *entitled* to taxpayer
money. I do recall noting that it is a fact that taxpayer money is put
in the hands of elected stewards of those public funds, and that it is
the opinion of those elected public stewards that some of those public
funds should be devoted to supporting scientific research.

Well, the same public stewards think that scamming the public for 2
billion dollars to elect one of them President
is a whole lot better than holding a free and open election. �They
impress me about as much as scientists do.

Then I believe you have a couple of options:
- Campaign for, and elect, public stewards that are more sympathetic
to your way of thinking.
- Remove yourself from the system you don't believe in.

Why? I just go over to the office of the Secretary of State and
register as an independent candidate for office, and register with the
Federal Election Commission as a candidate when Presidential elections
are held.

I have to tell you, Bobby, that I don't think many people have much
sympathy for folks that just like to complain about a situation but
not do anything about it.

Well, that is true. I do not have much sympathy for you.



I believe I

recall some of those elected public stewards saying that explicitly.
Given that simple fact, I'm not surprised that physicists would
compete for that support. Are you?

Are scientists different from mortgage bankers and automoble
manufacturing executives? �All college graduates seem about the same
to me. �They feel entitled to be supported by taxes.

I take it you feel the same way about military folks who happen to
have graduated from college, and who being supported by taxes while
they serve. I take it you feel the same way about fire fighters,
police officers and elementary school teachers. You do know that
elementary school teachers all went to college, don't you?

Well, as a matter of fact, I do feel the same way about them. In
recent years all any of these people have done is become more
incompetent. When was the last time fire fighters put out a major
fire?
Almost all of the trees here in Arizona burned a few years ago. Last
year it was northern California. Police officers are nothing but a
nuisance to me. I do not drive a car, so what are they going to
arrest me for? The last time it was for being a passenger in a car.
"Passenger, get out of the vehicle. Passenger, walk to the rear of
the vehicle. Step away from the vehicle."
I told them to find someone else to play their game with, so they
arrested me. They were eventually sorry they did that.
You think European socialism is a wonderful thing. I do not have
any use for it. So you want to post here in sci.physics.relativity
how much better European socialism is than actually thinking. Go
ahead. I certainly believe in freedom of speech.
Robert B. Winn

�I am a little
different. �I do not intend to accept anything from this corrupt
government.

The easiest way to do that, Bobby, is to relocate where you are no
longer under the influence of the government. This seems to be a whole
lot more productive than whining about this government, don't you
think?







You write multi-page dissertations about psychology,
but refuse to discuss the simplest principles of physics

Oh, I'm not refusing to discuss the simplest principles of physics.
I'm refusing to copy down the details of experiments, which are not so
simple. I'm happy to direct you at an easily accessed place where you
can find those details, however. I haven't got the foggiest idea why
you would be so lazy to not jump at that opportunity.

because it
might waste your time. Pardon me if I do not believe you.

I don't care if you believe me or not, Bobby. Getting you to believe
me is the least of my objectives. Why do you think any scientist would
care whether you believe them or not?

Wonderful. �Well, then we might expect that this would be your last
post to me.

Not at all. Convincing you is not the reason I post to you. Why would
you expect it to be?
.

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