Re: Is gravity relative?

On Apr 11, 6:04 am, brad <lbjohnson1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:35 pm, brent...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Apr 8, 3:52 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> On Apr 8, 6:35 pm, brent...@xxxxxxx wrote:
As I said, SR was easy to understand because the geometries
of matter and energy both follow straight lines. They work together.
But when you add acceleration and gravity their geometries diverge.

I can't follow this. There is some clarification about time needed.

If you apply a force to an object, the energies within that object
"bend" away from the physical structure of matter.  This is inertia.

Explain this, please.

If an object is supported by a force within a gravity well, it's
space-time that curves the energies away from matter.  This is weight..

Perhaps, you mean if the trajectory of an object is interrupted and
that object
becomes stationary.

If the force is removed, the energies realign with matter and the
object
accelerates downward.  This is gravity.

Force and energy are *amorphous* concepts in their own right and
depend on the
context of the conversation for their meaning.

Also using the term "curved" space is misleading.

I also believe this. I think it is a *paradigm* that steered cosmology
into
more complications than are necessary. However, a rotating, self
gravitating body
must induce a spatial curvature in its vicinity by virtue of its
*hold* on space.
You can call this frame-draggging.

 I believe that
matter
compresses space around itself.

Since all ojects rotate (or so it seems) the interaction is more
complicated.
See S. Carlips post.

 Time advances slower at my feet than
above my head because there is more space between quantum particles
which slows down interactions and slows down time.

Use a light clock for this analysis.

 Let's say that it
was possible to create a box to encapsulate space/space-time/aether.
In the box is a clock.  If I shrink the box and compress space, the
clock
slows down.  If I expand the box, the clock speeds up.  And if I bend
the
box, the clock accelerates into the curve.

In the frame of the clock nothing is changed. But, to an outside
observer
the clock time varies.

If we apply this principle to the universe, then at the moment of the
big
bang, time was going exceedingly slow, so that any expansion would
have
been extremely fast...  inflation anyone?

Without space time cannot exist! At any rate if you believe in the BB,
then
you must apply some theory of gravity to analyse that event. All G
theories require
space also, so, space must be the first requisite. This implies the
birth of the
Universe prior to the BB! And, since the implication is that the
Universe existed
prior to the BB you can have an infinitely large or infinetesimally
small Universe
before space existed. In other words dimension has no meaning without
space, but
the Universe "may" have existed before space came into existance.

And one last word on black holes.  The ratio of matter
to space is what determines time.

Maybe...

 Someday we will
witness the transformation of a neutron star into a black
hole.  As matter within the neutron star compresses, the
spatial distances between quantum particles collapses.
When this occurs, time will speed up which in turn will
increase its mass.  This is my prediction.  Perhaps
in my lifetime this will occur within a binary system
and we'll see the effect on its partner thus vindicating
me.

This is too much speculation. Even for me!

 > I'm sure many of you will consider me either a

lunatic or a heratic.  My hope is that someone
might be curious enough to see if this model fits
reality...  either way, I'm just too damn tired to
care at the moment...  g'night all

Some of it parallels my own ideas. But, I consider mine speculative
because self logic can be inherently faulty. Carlip and Roberts gave
you a real
good foundation. You should consider their comments and adjust your
ideas
to incorporate them.

Brad

I'm curious... Since my ideas seem to parallel yours, how long
have you had them and what sparked their formation?

Brent
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