Re: Time dilation #2


"bill" <cosmosco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:f2ef1d6a-17ba-4625-9a08-803b6f5464dd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Apr 21, 6:17 am, "harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotT...@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
"bill" <cosmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Apr 19, 9:13 pm, "harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotT...@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
[..]
- For identical flight records, the clocks that were flown against the
direction of the earth's rotation should on the average have been ticking
slower than the clocks that were flown with the rotation of the earth. As
far as I recall, that's also what they found, although with a very high
margin of error.

Your 'recollection' is erroneous!

Sorry that was a slip of the pen - I meant to write *faster*.

[..]

: Alternately - does he believe that at the very instant he closed the
: door after entering the enclosed room that the ship stopped moving and
: that the universe was subjected to a force greater than infinite and
: it is now moving at near-light speed whilst the ship remains
: stationary?

I have no idea why you would think that anyone would suggest such a thing...

I do not merely *think* that anyone would suggest such a thing but
have been informed by *many* people in, and external to, physics
groups and have read many other comments by so-called 'intelligent'
relevantly qualified people that an astronaut looking at stars and
galaxies that appear to be moving past him at near light-speed *could*
be of the opinion - on the basis of the principle of relativity - that
he is stationary thus that it is the *universe* that is moving at near
-light-speed on the basis that he is unable to carry out any internal
dynamic experiment that would show him if the ship is stationary or is
moving with uniform velocity.

That is the PoR; it has nothing to do with your above assertion...

[..]

A comment that has been attributed to Einstein (which I sincerely hope
was not made by him unless it was meant as a joke) is that whilst
seated in a train watching the scenery flash by Einstein is said to
have asked "What time does the next station arrive at this carriage?"

Assuming that he did make this comment then that's a prime example of
my not merely *thinking* that someone suggested such a thing.

It's a funny anecdote, and I can believe that he said it. :-))

[...]

: Let's make a last effort - please respond to that comment and PLEASE
: do not refer to 'an ether'.

You snipped my last effort and earlier you already snipped the means to
understand it all. Thus you really don't want to hear it - I have been
wasting my time.

I snipped those comments because they were irrelevant and merely, as
intended, obfuscated the discussion.

To the contrary: it was merely a last attempt to help you (and a test to see if you sincerely want to be helped).

You are now aware of the strength and validity of my arguments and
realize that you *have* been wasting your time by attempting to cloud
the issue but have found to your chagrin that you are unable to negate
my arguments.

Despite your earlier suggestion that you search good advice, here you showed your true colours (which I already noticed before). I am not impressed by your arguments (nor am I interested in them) but I am disappointed by the weakness of some responses of others as they even disagreed on the isues about which you were not mistaken.

[..]

As you are here only here to argue, I say Farewell.

Harald

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