Re: groupthink and cranks (the trouble with physics)

Albertito wrote on Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:39:44 -0700:

On Jun 3, 10:13 am, "Juan R." González-Álvarez
<juanREM...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Albertito wrote on Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:27:56 -0700:

On Jun 2, 5:57 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:39 am, Albertito <albertito1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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If you replace "string theory" by "Einstein's relativity" (both SR
& GR) you attain a very good equivalent set of believers, where
most of the objections and concerns put on the former can be very
well applied to the latter.

No, on the contrary, there is considerable difference.

String theory is not even really a theory, it's more than a hunch.
It has yet to produce a unique prediction that sets it apart from
other theories. (And in fact, the only predictions that it's been
able to make are also made by non-string theories.) Naturally, there
has been no experimental test of any unique prediction from string
theory.

On the other hand, SR and GR have made a whole lot of unique
predictions that set them apart from other theories. And a good
number of them have been put to experimental test, with the results
being in agreement with SR and GR.

This, you see, is how science is done.

PD

Yes, I already know about SR & GR predictions:

1. SR predicts the twin paradox, which means that
SR kills itself.

This is plain wrong. You were given references correcting you.

2. GR predicts black holes, which means that
GR kills itself, because of its equations break down in the BH's
singularity.

Yes, GR break down at singularities, as is well-known (and explained in
textbooks).

But this does not mean GR was wrong, merely it does not work *here*
because need a correction *here*. Outside that, GR will continue to
work as well as today. The kind of correction I wait are corrections
from gravitons. Far from the singularity the correction term vanishes
and one recovers GR.

You do not understand science.

3. GR predicts dark matter, which means that
GR kills itself, because dark matter will never be found.

Some authors think that GR applies to galactic scale and then need to
modify the mass to fit observations. Others think that GR does not
apply there and then explain observations without dark matter.

There is not still well-acepted theory but attempts as TeVeS, of
course, reduce to GR in an appropiate limit (reproducing all solar
system tests for instance).

You do not understand science.

4. GR predicts gravitational waves, which means that
GR kills itself, because gravitational waves will never be found.

Nobody know future. Today, we have indirect support of existence of
gravitational waves (e.g. from binary pulsars) and I have no reason to
doubt of the existence.

Of course, a direct test is still needed.

You do not understand science.

5. GR predicts dark energy, which means that
GR kills itself, because dark energy is nonsense.

"GR needs epicycles in order to survive"

Is that how science is done?

Some authors think that GR applies to cosmological scale without
restrictions and then need to add a cosmological term to fit
observations. The problem is on the interpretation and computation of
that term.

Some people (e.g. string theorists) search a modification of the
Standard Model. Other people search a modification of GR.

It is possible to do a modification of GR and obtain the cosmological
term from first principles (string theory continues being off).
Diferent authors are working different modifications

http://www.canonicalscience.org/en/publicationzone/
canonicalsciencereports/20083.html

But again, for small scale problems the cosmological term vanishes and
one recovers standard GR equations.

Again, you do not understand science.

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It is irrelevant the claim "you do not understand science" because I'm
still learning.

It is the main issue. You do not understand science neither how it is
done and then you write nonsensical 'theories' and claim nonsense about
theories as your above "GR kills itself".

BTW, who understand science? If you are very proud of
your current scientific knowledge, then you are an ignoramus. Only
ignorant ones are capable of claiming they understand anything. :-D

Learn to read, because I said not such one thing :-D

Need examples? I'll give them in decreasing order of worth, Steve Carlip
-> Tom Roberts -> Eric Gisse -> Dono

The latter is the greatest ignoramus of the universe :-)

They do mistakes, because everyone *does*, but they are not doing your
current mistakes, corrected here.

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