Re: Einstein's Train Gedanken Re-visited

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On Jun 15, 8:33 pm, "Whoever" <no...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Henry Wilson, DSc" <hw@..> wrote in messagenews:isjd351ova94klg0l8agkc9qcb958tsmjs@xxxxxxxxxx

> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:42:54 +1000, "Whoever" <no...@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

>>"G" <gehan.ameresek...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> By the way, Einstein made mistakes

>>>http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/01-einstein.s-23-biggest-mistakes

>>Yes .. Einstein was human and his theories changed and evolved. Big >>deal.

> Einstein was a plagiarist and a hoaxer.

Doesn't really matter even if he was. What matters is the SR and GR models
that he helped develop

> His theory is just a disguised version of LET.

Its LET with the need for any mysterious physical shrinkage of objects and
distnaces, and slowing of processes with by their movement in an
undetectable ether with properties that are inconsistent with known
substances. SR does not require that

Sigh....of course the ether unique and has unique properties that no
known substance has.

If it existed. Which by the nature of the properties it would have to have, we cannot show. How convenient :)

You are wrong....SR does require the special properties of the ether.

It requires no ether, nor does it say there cannot be one.. SR works quite happily with corpuscular/balistic theories, or wave/ether based theories. SR postulates that the speed of light is the same for observations in all inertial (non accelerating) frames. It really doesn't give a hoot about how the light gets from point A to point B .. as long as the speed is the same for everyone.

For example: An SR observer claims that all the clocks in the universe
moving wrt him are running slow and all the rod moving wrt him are
contracted.....these are the exclusive properties of an observer at
rest in the ether frame.

Not at all. In SR it is a property of every inertial (non accelerating) frame.

In ether theories, like LET, it is the property of a unique frame. But SR is not LET. You're obviously confused about these two theories.


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