Re: Why SR? (was: Source Independency of Light Speed Without an Aether???????)

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:17:46 +0100, "Androcles" <Headmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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"Henry Wilson, DSc" <hw@..> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:53:10 +0100, "Androcles"
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You can stop right there and make up your fuckin' stupid mind.

"A pure oscillator, such as a spinning wheel, has no natural wavelength in
any
frame. " - Wilson.
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That's right. There are lots of different kinds of oscillators.

I'm pointing out that a photon is not a 'pure oscillator'.

Point all you want, you won't find a purer one.

How would you know. Have you seen one lately?

Your idiotic shark's
tooth model has no foundation in experiment, it's just your crank
theory.

A pure oscillator, such as a photon, has no natural wavelength in
any frame. -- William of Ockham would say that. Wilson wants
to complicate it.

It IS a complicated issue. Only morons and relativists think they have all the
answers.

A vibrating violin string is an oscillator. It has both frequency and
wavelength. Neither vary if the violon is played in a flying Jumbo..

It will actually, flying Jumbos are de-pressurised to 8000 ft.
so you might notice your ears pop.

Yes we know all about that...now let's get back to the real issue...

The harmonics of a violin depend on the sound box, which is why
it doesn't sound like a harp or a piano. The air in the sound box
is part of the instrument. Violins are not pure oscillators. If they
only produced a pure sinewave they'd be very uninteresting.

Yes we know all about that...now let's get back to the real issue...

Photons and radio waves DO produce a pure sinewave.

How do you know? Have you seen one lately?

Because
they also move relatively to any observer they have a wavelength,
but that is a function of the speed.

It isn't. You can fasten nanometer rods between 'wavecrests' and they stay put
no matter how fast you move.

I have respect for old Kennaugh but he is wrong on this occasion.
Worryingly so.

John likes to do things slowly and thoroughly....he's not an impulsive lunatic
like some around here....

Wilson IS certainly raving mad and often contradicts himself as the
fucking wind blows.

You don't take the time to think properly. That's your problem..

A mass bouncing up and down on a spring has an amplitude and an absolute
frequency....but no intrinsic wavelength.

Sydney Harbour Bridge bouncing up and down has an amplitude and
an absolute frequency....but no intrinsic wavelength, which is why it is
not in Alice Springs.

OK smartarse, what is the 'wavelength' of a ball bouncing up and down on a
spring.

A traveling water wave has an absolute wavelength

Then it must have an absolute velocity, but all velocities are relative.
Wilson IS certainly raving mad and often contradicts himself as the
fucking wind blows.

I have a 50m surfboat that fits exactly between wavecrests. It doesn't shrink
when YOU ride past on your pet dolphin.

and an absolute period (the
time taken for water molecules to go up and down IN THE WATER FRAME).

Water molecules bouncing up and down have an amplitude and an absolute
frequency....but no intrinsic wavelength.

How would you describe such a wavelength?
A water wave is a complicated and poorly understood phenomenon. The actual
water molecules don't have to move laterally although they usually do so
because of a current. The wave energy and wavefront often travels in the
opposite direction to the bulk water flow.

The movement of a water molecule is basically up and down (it's actually
roughly elliptical). It has no natural wavelength. However the distance between
WAVEFRONTS is a typical feature of any traveling wave. That distance is
absolute and invariant.

Its
frequency, defined as rate of wavecrest passage past a point, is however
frame
dependent.


Wilson: A traveling water wave has an absolute wavelength.
Androcles:
You are at a point. A wavecrest passes you. 30 seconds later another
passes you. What is the absolute wavelength that you inform me exists?

My 50m boat fits exactly between wavecrests and moves with the wave. The
wavelength of the water wave is absolute 50m.



Henry Wilson...www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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