Re: Aether Displacement

On Aug 8, 7:41 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:42 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Aug 8, 3:15 pm, glird <gl...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 18, 11:42 am, Tom Roberts blathered:

<I just mean that displacing the aether takes energy and any such sustained energy loss will cause the earth to fall into the sun; details don't matter. >

  Details may not matter to physicists such as Tom, but they do to
what is actually happening. If "the aether" is just the continuous
form of ordinary matter - the kind particles are made of - but
amorphous matter has no weight, then the amount of energy required to
displace it is zero.

And if this is true, and in addition there is no coupling strength
between the constituents of the aether (that provide its stiffness),
then this aether is wholly incapable of supporting a traveling
disturbance (such as light).

Why is the aether required to support a traveling disturbance (such as
light), when you believe light is capable of traveling through a void?

It's called testing a model and following its necessary consequences
and comparing them against experiment, mpc, something you seem to know
nothing about.

Belief has nothing to do with it.

Here's how it works:
1. Let's *suppose* there is a material aether that carries light as a
medium, and this is responsible for the observed traveling light
waves.
2. In order for it to support a transmitted signal, the laws governing
the behavior of the medium MUST take the form of a wave equation, or
you don't get traveling waves.
3. Whenever there is a medium whose laws take the form of a wave
equation, certain properties of the medium always appear in the wave
equation. (This is an example of a necessary consequence of the
conceptual model.) In particular, there is the ratio of the stiffness
of the medium and the inertia of the medium that always appears.
4. By taking the measured speed of propagation of light, we can then
calculate what this ratio MUST be. (Again a necessary consequence.)
5. However, these properties are also related to drag of things
through this same medium. (Again a necessary consequence.)
6. Therefore, given the *measured* speed of propagation of light, the
model then *requires* that there be a certain value of the drag
coefficient of the medium. (Again, this is necessary consequence of
the material medium model.) This is a clear prediction of the model,
because we know we have objects (like planets) traveling through this
medium.
7. Therefore, it is straightforward to compare this drag coefficient
required by the model against measured orbital data. If it is
supported by the data, then the model stands. If it is not supported
by the data, then the model falls.
8. In comparison with actual data, one finds that the model disagrees
with the measured data. The model therefore fails.

If you check, you'll see that this example follows the scientific
method I described to you earlier. This is how models are tested in
science.

Now, here's the thing. You like to believe certain things, just
because you like them, and you hate being asked to believe certain
other things.

But someone who still believes in a material aether, when such models
have necessary consequences that make certain predictions that can be
compared with data and those predictions don't work, well, that person
is an idiot to still believe it anyway.

PD
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