Re: To what do the laws of physics apply?

From: Mike Helland (mobydikc_at_gmail.com)
Date: 01/09/05 

Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC)

antimatter33@yahoo.com wrote:
> Mike Helland wrote:
>
> > Instead of modeling the phenomena we observe (subjective reality),
the
> > idea is to model the encompassing objective reality, which may
operate
> > without regard for the principles of relativity and uncertainty, so
> > that we may effectively begin with an absolute and determinate
model. A
> > proper model of objective reality with observers present inside the
> > model itself will result in the implicit modeling of the relative
and
> > indeterminate subjective realities of each modeled observer.
>
> "There is no glass or speculum how well soever polished, but, besides
> the light which it refracts or reflects regularly, scatters every way
> irregularly a faint light, by means of which the polished surface,
when
> illuminated in a dark room by a beam of the Sun's light, may be
easily
> seen in all positions of the eye. There are certain phenomena of this
> scattered light, which when I first observed them, seemed very
strange
> and surprising to me. My observations were as follows..."
> Newton, "Opticks", 2nd book, part IV.

Yes, this demonstrates my point.

Newton simply observed things, and he tried to explain his
observations.

Since Newton we've learned about two new theories: quantum mechanics
and relativity.

These two theories place much more emphasis on the observer itself than
Newton ever did.

So it seems that in addition to Newton's approach to modeling what he
observed, a natural suggestion would be to take a step back from that
picture, and model the observer itself.

In order to do this we need a slightly different application of
mathematical models to physics. Instead of a mathematical model where
the variables for which the scientist has known values are plugged into
the equations so other unknown variables may be calculated, a new
approach where the input exists independently of what is known of
nature would be required.

This might sound like gibberish, but you should appreciate that this is
the best I can do in a single usenet post.

You can get a better idea of what I mean from this:

http://www.techmocracy.net/science/time.htm
(The current version should say "Last Updated January 2nd, 2005" just
under the title, refresh if you see some other date)

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