It's Actually a Biocentric Principle...
- From: "island" <island5@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:20:07 +0000 (UTC)
I haven an information follow-up to the following conversation. Eric
D. Schneider and Dorion Sagan, (Carl's boy;) have published this book:
Into The Cool - Energy Flow, Thermodynamics and Life
http://www.intothecool.com/
island5@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> > isla...: "Yeah, like, maybe we're just here to satisfy the second law
> > of thermodynamics"
>
> > Is the strong anthropic principle about life or conscious
> observation?
>
> > Surely it is the latter.
>
> Surely?... In its current tautologous form, the strong anthropic
> principle simply notes that the universe 'must have properties which
> allow life to develop within it at some stage in its history', but even
> if modified to say that the parameters of the universe are tuned in
> such a manner as to give rise to "intelligent" life, this still does
> not necessarily mean that human sentience arises as anything more than
> a specific means to an end.
>
> The referenced paper addresses this point, and the linked news article
> says it in very easy-to-read terminology:
>
> http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/09/30/2003204990
> "The more complex the structure the more effective is the energy
> dissemination. Populations are better in this respect than single
> individuals; ecosystems even more so, and most effective of all -- so
> far -- are human high-tech societies."
>
> The clear implication is that sentience is necessary because there are
> differing degrees for satisfying the second law of thermodynamics, with
> respect to the type and quantity of activation energy that's required
> to do the job.
>
> >
> > What is the minimum configuration of things required to create a
> > conscious observer? I think it is only when we know the answer to
> this
> > question that we can begin to assess the 'probability' of our
> > particular universe.
>
>
> A Strong "Entropic" Anthropic Principle notes that our intelligence
> enables our most ambitious form of energy dissemination which produces
> real, massive particles, from vacuum energy, and this reverses the
> normally destructive consequences of the second law at the high-energy
> end of things, while directly affecting the symmetry of the universe.
>
> There are three known sources for this; Black Holes, Supernovae, and
> us.
>
> If this represents an ecosystematic link, like the one that is
> described in the quoted text, then it is more plausible than not that
> the anthropic princple is really a "biocentric" principle, where
> intelligent life is enabled on the bands of every spiral galaxy that
> has a black hole at its center.
>
> Make that... 'every banded spiral galaxy that lies *between* the
> relevant spectrum of potential'... so don't bother looking outside the
> plane of life, within the older or newer systems, or you'll just be
> wasting your time...
>
> ...is the prediction of the Strong Entropic Anthropic Principle
.
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