Re: Why isn't the mathematician Henri Poincare acknowledged as the true discoverer of special relativity?

"Cl.Massé" <toto@xxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>> >> (SUR LA DYNAMIQUE DE L'ÉLECTRON, Henri Poincaré,
>> >> Comptes rendus, 5./11. Juni 1905):
>> >>
>> >> " *Lorentz* a cherché à compléter et à modifier son hypothèse de facon
>> >> à la mettre en concordance avec le postulat de l'impossibilité
>> >> complète
>> >> de la détermination du mouvement absolu. C'est ce qu'il a réussi à
>> >> faire dans son article intitulé "Electromagnetic phenomena in a system
>> >> moving with any velocity smaller than that of light" (Proceedings de
>> >> l'Académie d'Amsterdam, 27 mai 1904).
>> >>
>> >> L'importance de la question m'a déterminé á la reprendre; les
>> >> résultats
>> >> que j'ai obtenus sont d'accord sur tous les points importants avec
>> >> ceux
>> >> de *Lorentz*; j'ai été seulement conduit à les modifier et à les
>> >> compléter dans quelques points du détail. "
>
> I wrote:
>
>> > Here, Poincaré speaks about the Lorentz *contraction*.
>
> "Homo Lykos" <lykos@xxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> No (view http://www.soso.ch/wissen/hist/SRT/srt.htm, [3]):
>>
>> 1. Approximated Lorentz contraction 1892 by Lorentz
>>
>> 2. "Relativistic" Lorentz contraction as result of LT 1899 by Lorentz
>>
>> 3. PoR as result of LT (+ Maxwell; + generalisation) 1904/1905 by
>> Lorentz/Poincaré
>
> Don't know and don't care. In the excerpt given, Poincaré is speaking
> about the Lorentz contraction, as I read it in my mother tongue.

It's not a question of language, but of physics/mathematics. In [3] there
are only the results of [4]: read also chapter LT in [4].

> No reference of
> writings where Poincaré speaks about the relativity theory as such has
> been given in this thread.
>
> Even in English: "Electromagnetic phenomena in a system moving with any
> velocity smaller than that of light", is implying an absolute motion,
> therefore it can't be Einsteins Relativity. Poincaré, as he wrote,
> changed only details.

Without these details the proof of Lorentz of tho covariance of the
Maxwell-equations is wrong and the PoR would not be valid.

Homo Lykos

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