Re: On the uncertainty principle for photons. An experimental counter



On 11 Дек, 08:29, DRLunsford <antimatte...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 4, 3:08 pm, kvblake <kvblake2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Do you mean that when a photon is created there emerges a EM field at
once in the whole universe or the existing EM field changes at a
constant value immidiately everywhere?
I read about localized photons in Mandel's quantum optics.

Regards: Kevin

No, I mean exactly what relativity implies - things that go at C
cannot be localized in any way. The electromagnetic field already
exists everywhere in the universe, and can absorb and release energy-
momentum anywhere and any-when. The photon as a thing, a localized
object, does not exist, and can't possibly exist.

You refute the idea of Einstein about photons (explanation of photo
effect) by his own special relativity theory. I've never heard that
Einstein had claimed anywhere the photons dont exist because they are
bound to move at c.
I have read some textbooks about relativity though am not a
specialist. I havent seen anywhere in some textbook of SRT to stand
refutation of photons.

In fact the entire idea of propagation is what is at issue here. In
relativity, the world is 4-d, and propagation is a primitive fact,
like distance in Euclidean geometry, and can't be reduced. So the EM
field absorbs energy here, and releases it there, with the difference
of here and there being an interval lying on the light cone. Photons
are the units of absorption and release. The 4-d-ness of the world
really has to be taken at a face value.


I dont think the field just releases pure momentum any-where and any-
then.
If you deny propagation how would you explain
1. the light doesnt go though object (cancellation of propagation)
2. final speed


The conflict between relativity and QM is stark enough without making
it worse. Neither ceases to be true because of the other.

-drl

Action through distance is not better.

Sincerely
Kevin

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