Re: Fusion

From: Michael Varney (varney_at_colorado_no_spam.edu)
Date: 06/07/04 

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:03:01 -0600

"ZZBunker" <zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
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> > "Hej*" <hejhejhej@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:40BF5605.230633BE@mchsi.com...
> > > > Hej* wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any alternatives to oil today? Oil price is rallying and
> > > > > production peak might be here already or within 15 years.
> > > >
> > > > Suggest reading Goodstein's "Out of Gas". Wind and Solar are
> > > > reasonable alternatives for some energy requirements.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as i have heard wind and at least todays solar needs more
energy
> > > input than what comes out.
> > >
> > > But i can be wrong. I happens now and then..
> >
> > You are wrong.
>
> He's right

No.

> , since if solar energy worked for
> for anything other than A/C it would be
> a miracle energy source, something like
> miracle grow plant food.

Non sequitur
Read what he wrote. Wind and solar do not require more energy input than
what comes out.

> And if wind energy worked, it would work
> all the time, including during solar flares.

Non sequitur.

> Since both Solar and Wind cost 100
> times more than their returns. Since both
> are guess what?: *GOVERNMENT FUNDED*.
> not funded by taxpayers.

Non sequitur. You are talking about money, I am talking about physics.

What the OP stated was the equivalent to stating that in order for a solar
cell calculator to run, you need to attach a 12 volt battery to the cell.
That in order for a windmill to work you would have to put 10000 gerbils
inside on wheels to make it spin.

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