Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter.

From: ZenIsWhen (ZenIsWhen_at_anywhere.com)
Date: 06/13/04 

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:16:35 -0400

"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ms_yc.32800$0y.4808@attbi_s03...
>
> "Alan" <gper@mindless.com> wrote in message
> news:847702a8.0406121659.28fee046@posting.google.com...
> > > If all human minds died tomorrow morning,
> > > how would you "know, demonstrate, or prove"
> > > that the Universe still existed tomorrow night.
> > > Just answer the question please.
> >
> >
> > If I sealed something in a box, I couldn't "prove" it was still there
> > without opening the box. So? I have no reason to doubt that it is
> > still there.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG. You have reason to believe it is there
> because you put it there. And you "know it".
> However, if you (and everybody else) were
> DEAD..... no one would know it... therefore
> it would no longer exist... because it COULDN'T
> BE CONFIRMED either by report, testimony
> or experiment.

Still shoveling that same old crap argument - while the VALID arguments and
reality get ignored!!!
Any onorable scientist would be INSULTED that you even CLAIM to be a
scientist!

> >
> > If I were dead, obviously I couldn't prove anything. Again - so? I
> > have no reason to doubt that the universe would still exist, even if
> > ALL life were to end. The early universe apparently existed, and
> > certainly contained no HUMAN life, and NO life that we know of. Why
> > WOULD it cease to exist if all men died tomorrow?
>
> [Hammond]
> BECAUSE "the statment: 'the universe existed 15B years ago' "
> ONLY HAS AN OPERATIONAL MEANING within
> the context of "human reality"....

More crap!
It is THE CONCLUSION FROM THE EVIDENCE that the universe is 15 billion
years old.
That we are the only species to have the ability anda knowledge to detect
and interpret that evidence does NOT mean that reality ONLY belongs to us.

The universe IS 15 billion years old for a frog too . they just don't know
it!

DAMN! Are you stupid!!!

If "human reality" did not
> exist... then the statement HAS NO MEANING.
> ok.... "human reality" is only 40K years old (was created
> for the first time 40K yrs ago)....

Bull ***!
"Human reality" is as old as humans are ........ or didn't you know that
scientists just CEREATED, ON THEIR OWN, a dividing line between then and
now?

 therefore the statment
> "the Universe is 15B years old" HAS NO MEANING BEFORE
> 38,000 B.C.

Therefore your ignorant bellowing has no meaning, since you obviously know
NOTHING about either science or the bible!

> > You've written of absolute and perceived reality. Okay, if we're all
> > gone, POOF! to perceived reality, but how and why would that affect
> > absolute reality?
>
> [Hammond]
> We have no idea what "absolute reality" is.... we DEFINE
> "absolute reality" to be "identical" to "perceived reality".
> THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM as long as "perceived reality"
> is a "1:1 map" of "absolute reality".

You have any evidence contradicting that reality - or, as usual, are you
just bellowing more sandbox insanity?

>HOWEVER, modern science
> (Hammond 2003) has discovered that the map is NOT
> 1:1...

Modern science has discovered no such thing!
You - an insane, deranged, psychotic idiot, (as evidence, in only one case,
on your delusional psychologically corrupt action to call yourself by your
proper name - as though you were writing about another person) CLAIM nothing
more than crap . and CLAIM to be a scientist, when your writings are evident
of a psychotic .... not physics.

in fact (on average) its more like 0.8:1.... and this
> fact explains the supernatural effect we call "GOD".
> Taht is what this discovery and all this discussion is
> about!

No. The topic is your insanity, and your insane claims. Things which you
have never proven, NEVER defended, and havbe NEVER been supported by ANY
OTHER SCEINTIST OR RELIGION!

Or are you SO delusional you haven't noticed the fact that ALL responses
(except for the ones you write under different names) are saying the same
thing?
You're wrong ....... and crazy!!!

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