Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter.

From: ZenIsWhen (ZenIsWhen_at_anywhere.com)
Date: 06/14/04 

Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:05:54 -0400

"RoyBoy" <armageddon79@SPAMBAD.email.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > "RoyBoy" <armageddon79@SPAMBAD.email.com> wrote in message
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> > > "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > "RoyBoy" <armageddon79@SPAMBAD.email.com> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > > > "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > > "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
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> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, George Hammond wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> QED: "Observables" do not exist if
> > > > > > > > > >>> "observers" do not exist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Bull ***!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [Hammond]
> > > > > > > > > > sorry, the statement is OBVIOUSLY CORRECT.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just because you can imagine nothing existing when you
> > > imagine
> > > > > the
> > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > when nobody exists, doesn't mean your thought
> experiment
> > > is
> > > > > > successful.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Hammond]
> > > > > > > > Gwar.... you've been smoking too much dope....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Obviously if no one exists- no one can imagine anything.
> > > > > > > > What's wrong with you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matter does not need my "imagination" to exist!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For someone who claims to have an advanced education -
> your
> > > > > statements
> > > > > > > indicate your probably failed sandbox.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Hammond]
> > > > > > You're stupid... which proves eductation means nothing.
> > > > > > Answer THIS simple question:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If all people died tomorrow morning, HOW
> > > > > > would you prove that the Eiffel Tower still existed
> > > > > > tomorrow night... or the entire Universe for that
> > > > > > matter?
> > > > > > Please just answer the question, moron.
> > > > >
> > > > > If all the people died,
> > > > > who would be asking the question?
> > > >
> > > > [Hammond]
> > > > Exactly my point. The question has no meaning,
> > > > in fact doesn't even EXIST if all men are dead.
> > >
> > > Exactly, it has no meaning... just like your theory.
> > > One of your many problems is, if all men (otherwise
> > > known as humans) were dead, there could potentially
> > > be plenty of things/people to ask.
> > >
> > > You're a narrow minded simpleton...
> > > and your question illustrates that quite well.
> > > Why should we assume humans are the only
> > > lifeform of concequence?
> >
> > [Hammond]
> > They ARE "the only lifeform of consequence" when
> > it comes to "reality"... because:
> >
> > "Humans are the only life form who observe
> > 'reality as we know it' ".
>
> So? Reality 'as we know it' is different for every individual.
> What is important is that not only is there an objective
> reality which faces us (misconceptions or not), but it faces
> others on this planet, and likely elsewhere in the
> universe.
>
> This theory is truly a waste of time... yes of course humans
> support reality as they know it... that doesn't mean they
> define reality! It means they define their reality... which is
> small/large, accurate/inaccurate... results will vary for
> each individual, but there is a big difference between defining
> our reality and defining reality.

Logical - but, sadly, WAY over George's head!!!!!

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