Re: geek shamanic clue
From: David Dalton (dalton_at_nfld.com)
Date: 06/14/04
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:00:23 -0230
David Dalton wrote:
> ee=electrical engineering, so lets say electomagnetics
oops, I missed an "r" there, so "electromagnetics".
Does Jack Layton row?
> Anyway, play with that, and let me know if you get anywhere,
> or if you get stuck and want further clues, and if you get anywhere
> also PLEASE reference this newsgroup post by MessageID
> or google groups URL of the post or failing that (if
> it is an old post not in the google groups archive
> and you don't have the MessageID by subject line, from
> line, and time/date posted by me). Then if you get
> a Nobel Prize for doing all the hard work I will be in
> your reference list for providing the seed idea or
> in some cases just clue without which you would not
> have gotten that Nobel Prize, and in certain cases
> may even be regarded as a collaborator. ***, if
> I get a significant verbal clue from a colleague
> at a conference I reference it as a personal communication,
> and newsgroup posts are typed archive material
> which likewise, or even more so, must be referenced
> if they provide inspiration, seed ideas, or sometimes
> even more extensive ideas. That applies to more
> than just physicists.
Even rare journals that do not accept personal communication
references (although some of those allow such in the body
of the text but not in the reference list) will I think
now accept URLs as references and that should include
URLs of newsgroup posts, to get the URL find a post on
http://groups.google.com and then view that article only
and copy and paste the URL from the browser URL window.
In rare cases such as crossposts to too many groups the
post was not archived, e.g. some of my June 1993
waning crescent posts entitled
Fractal twi/pu/[n]ning and the arrows of the ...h[E]r(T)s..
(with some variatio at the end of the title)
may not be archived but four, including the
one to sci.physics, are as listed on
The one to sci.physics and other groups is
(the first group in the list of newsgroups is no more important than any
other in the list).
Now that does not mean I am asking for money, in cases where anyone
has and/or expects to make money from any of my clues and ideas,
but I DO want to be referenced, including in scholarly journal
articles and patents and more that may draw on my stuff. Of
course if any money is thrown my way that makes it more likely
that I will give the thrower of the money first access to
future ideas and/or devote time explicitly to ideadancing
for his or her problems, or at least think them over, then
put them on the back burner and then a bit later after
good live music maybe something good will pop out.
Also if any journal articles have gone out that should
have referenced me but did not the authors can publish
a short correction note remedying that in the same journal.
The FTE mailing list is also archived and can be
referenced.
As for my two dimensions of time theory that I later
adjusted to a complex time theory, the development of
that is on :
Now there should also be a post about a seven dimensional heart with
those two time dimensions and five of space but I can't find it in
the google groups archive so maybe a hacker has deleted it. Also
I thought I had mentioned complex time on newsgroups before 1998
but the first mention still in the archive is
Some may find this, from FTE list July 18, 1994, to be amusing as well:
come back, complex delta function
be love
less of
spiky delta
-- biological
more or
like geological
a
than the real
needle,
the
thinnest
v
e
r
t
i
c
a
l
:-)
Also from that list of Nov. 12, 1994, oh wait, it
not on the list but is an e-mail to
RealTime@mindlink.bc.ca (RealTime was a CBC radio show):
Good Enough reminded me of,
at this "point in" "real time",
how bull***=horny sheared imaginary time
(precessing lemniscate time)
I guess you know what a real "Time" is in Newfoundland?
On Jan. 5, 1995 on the list I wrote:
So now, back to physics. For any given 3 multipoles in three
dimensions, there are seven distinct feasible combinations, so the K.S.
told me (actually I have to check). Now in physics I have
speculated that, with K motion and S entropy, the universe can
be descibed in terms of a seven-fold heart with 3 real space
dimensions, 2 imaginary ones, and two time variables. So the
problem is to use the key of the K.S. combinations to unlock
the love of that heart in its full power.
Also on that list in 1994 or 1995 I did a play on
"does it matter" or "it doesn't matter" relating
imaginary time to matter but I can't find it in
my personal files so may have to search through the
list archives later for that and a couple of others
than I neglected to save.
There is another mention of the seven-dimensional cardioid
clue in January 1995
However the original post was in summer 1994 and I can't seem to
find it, which is odd unless someone has gone to great lengths
to hack-delete it from the google groups archive and this
computer's hard drive and my floppies in this office and I
have not yet checked my other copies off-campus but will do
so in the next few days. However some on here and other
newsgroups have very good memories (better than mine)
and/or may have a copy of the post in question which
should contain the word "heart". Also google groups
is not the only archive in the world though it may
be the only publicly available long term one but
governments that fund scientists may have access to
others. In the original post I think I think not
simply say five spatial dimensions but probably three
regular ones and two more that were maybe angular but
I forget. In at least one later post I referred to
it as a ten-dimensional heart theory but the original
post specified just seven dimensions. Maybe the
cardioid bit is the only good part of the clue and
the number of dimensions is incorrect.
Oh, wait, I am sure I posted a more detailed thing to
one or more newsgroups earlier but one more mention was
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Send-date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 0:11:27 UTC-0700
From: David R. Dalton <dalton@geop.ubc.ca>
To: <fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
In-Reply-To: <199409021825.AA13971@iri14.infores.com>
Message-ID: sept2:14
Subject: Re: Hold On at Lifebeat.
<snip>
I'll interpretE the phrases with regard to Mother-love, the
seven-dimensional multiple scaled heart we art of.
<snip>
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which is the earliest mention of it on the FTE list by
me I think but again I posted it earlier. Oh wait I
just did a search for "seven" and found
which in full is (and it is odd that I put my middle initial R
in because I very rarely do that in a From: line), and
the indented material is Tom Potter's material which
I did not bother in this case to use emacs, since I
was then using emacs guns to post, to change the blank
spaces to "> ",
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From: David R Dalton (dalton@explo.Geop.UBC.CA)
Subject: Re: Reality!
View: Complete Thread (4 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: 1994-09-02 06:53:13 PST
In article <3452v1$938@condor.ic.net> tdp@ic.net (Tom Potter) writes:
This article suggests that time is a deeper concept than distance,
that angular displacement is a deeper concept than time,
that physical reality arises from a unitary angular displacement
( The universe ) and that inferior angular displacements ( Charge, baryon
number, weakness, etc. ) are sub-harmonics which are synchronously bound
to
the unitary angular displacement, and that evolution is a top down
driven,
non-linear decomposition of the unitary angular displacement, modulated
by
fractal-like components of wave functions. ( Souls, God, ??? )
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I am leaning towards seven dimensions: three the usual (or mapped
to liscuute space) spatial dimensions, one the usual (or mapped
to precessing lemniscate) time, two imaginary (so complex math
with two imaginary axes, probably one is like a spatial length
and the other is angle related), and one other time dimension
(could be like 1/t or a window of time or a rotation or twist of
time). I'm not sure of the topology but it appears to be
self-contained, breathing and self-similar. Topology
thoughts: fuzzy apple, bra straps, planar coils (elements),
nylon pantyhose.
-- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- <Dalton@Geop.UBC.Ca> --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 ------------------------------ So I must have added the heart bit later and the cardioid mention even later though I thought I mentioned a seven-dimensional heart in July, August, or early September of 1994. Also I meant above three real spatial dimensions, two imaginary spatial dimensions, and two variables of time and only later did I think that those two variables could be posed as complex time though that depends on analyticity (whether Cauchy Riemann conditions hold). So someone else may have been influenced by my two variables of time theory and made the leap to complex time before me, Ha, Riemann would roll over in his grave. But perhaps you can extract some useful components from the above, and/or I will consider them on the couch o' ryewoman (I wish). Note those are long out-of-date home and work and fax numbers and office address information from when I was at UBC in Pacific Spirit Park in Greater Vancouver, site of Expo 86, which I sauntered through a few times. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton
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