Re: GOD=G_uv PEER/PUBLISHED

From: EjP (nospam_at_hackers.are.bad)
Date: 06/28/04 

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:27:02 -0500

George Hammond wrote:
> "EjP" <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in message
> news:cbprv2$rq2$1@info4.fnal.gov...
>
>>George Hammond wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Physics sportsfans:
>>>
>>
>> > (...usual rambling crap...)
>>
>>>The NOETIC JOURNAL is published by the Noetic Institute
>>>in Orinda California (Berkeley) and has nothing to do with
>>>IONS (Institute of Noetic Science) located in Oregon.
>>>
>>
>>Actually, "The Institute of Noetic Sciences"
>>http://www.noetic.org/
>>is in Petaluma, CA, but has branches elsewhere.
>>It was started by Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
>>At first glance, it looks fringy, but perhaps
>>quasi-legit.
>>
>>One would think that "Noetics" was
>>a pretty cozy field, but amazingly, there is no
>>mention at all of "The Noetic Journal" or
>>Richard Amoroso anywhere at "The Institute of Noetic
>>Sciences" website.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Naturally not. "IONS" as it is called is known to be
> a crackpot organization that believes in UFO's

Hammond calling someone else a crackpot. Now *that's*
funny!!!

> and other "sensationalist creationist" ideas.
> Excuse me if I've exaggerated... but that's
> what I've heard.
>
>
>>The one that publishes the vanity rag "The Noetic
>>Journal" is at various times called "Noetic Institute",
>>"The Noetic Advanced Studies Institute", "The Noetic
>>University", or even (when the mushrooms are peaking)
>>"The International Noetic University". Needless to
>>say, it has no academic reputation whatsoever.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Really...?? I just received my "3 complementary authors
> copies" of NOETIC JOURNAL Vol 4, Number 3
> (with my two papers in it) and on the inside cover
> 25 internationally known people with their names and addresses
> are listed as being on the Editorial Board, and not a
> few of the PhD's in Physics, such as the following:
>
>
> Richard L. Amoroso PhD (physics)......... Executive Editor
> Dimitri Nanopolous PhD (physics) ........
> Center for Theoretical Physics
> Texas A&M
> CERN, Theory Division
> Geneva

Definitely a first-rate physicist,
http://faculty.physics.tamu.edu/dimitri/home.html
but he hasn't been a CERN staff member since 1986. Strangly,
although his webpage is pretty detailed, it makes no mention
of his association to the "Noetic Journal", and I
suspect his is unware of his affiliation. I can guarantee
that this person never signed off on your paper.

> George A. Christos PhD (physics)
> Former student of Abdus Salam
> Curtin Univ. of Technology
> Perth

Interesting fellow. Here is his webpage:
http://www.maths.curtin.edu.au/~christos/
He's in the math deparment, not physics, and
his stuff on brain research seems to be mostly
a hobby. Some would say that his idea that SIDS
is caused by babies dreaming they are back in the
womb qualifies as crackpot. In any event, he
also has a very thorough webpage, which includes
his solution to Rubik's cube, but makes no mention
whatsoever about the Noetic Journal.

> Fotini Pallikari PhD (physics).......
> Dept. of Physics
> U. of Athens

An assistant professor of physics at U. Athens
http://www.cc.uoa.gr/~fpallik/
Her qualifications are as a solid state
physicist, but she clearly has an interest
in the physics of consciousness. Seems legit,
but has published in Foundations of Physics
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/papers/bell.html
which publishes such notables as Tom Bearden.

Again, makes no mention of her association to
the Noetic Journal. Either doesn't know about
it or is embarassed by it.

> Menas Kafatos PhD (physics)
> Prof & Dept Head
> Inst. for Comp. and Science
> George Mason U., VA

I never heard of him and his webpage is broken. Given his
credentials, I doubt that he ever read Hammond's paper.

> Sisir Roy PhD (physics)
> Author: Statistical Geometry &
> Microphysicis Cosmology
> Kluwer 1998
> Physics and Math. Unit
> Indian Statistical Institute
> Calcutta

Seems to be a professor there. No telling what his
relationship is to the Noetic Journal. The Indian
educational system is too complex to make a judgement
of any kind.

> Fred Alan Wolf PhD (physics)
> Prof. at U. London, Paris,
> Hebrew U., San Diego State U.
> Author of 11 books
> Quantum Physics & Spirituality
> San Francisco
>

As I said, he discovered kookdom was more fun than
legitimate science.

> So there are 7 PhD's in Physics, all of whom are internationally
> prominent (and that's not all of them).

The ones that are legit are probably on the list because they
agreed to an Email without reading it first.

> Now if you don't
> believe the Journal exists, or that they are on the editorial
> board I suggest you call or email them.
> And don't try to tell me that my _Scientific Proof of God_
> hasn't been "reviewed and published by competent physicists",
> because obviously IT HAS!! ...at LEAST 7 of the editorial board
> members of the NOETIC JOURNAL are physicists, including the
> Editor in Chief.

Most have questionable credentials, and certainly the one
genuine theorist never read your paper.

>
>
>
>>In fact, I suspect it doesn't really exist.
>>They don't have a website,
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Horse***, the table of contents, contact info,
> subscription info etc is given on the NOETIC JOURNAL
> website located at:
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~noeticj/
>
>

So famous they can't even spring for their own
domain name, huh?

Anyway, no one is disputing that the "Noetic Journal"
exists. I was asking about the so-called "Noetic
Institute" (or Noetic University or what have you).

>
>
>>and any contacts are on
>>public ISP's. In short, this "institute" seems
>>to exist entirely to give Richard Amoroso something
>>to put after his name, since he can't get a real
>>job.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> If you want to email them:
>
> email: noeticj@mindspring.com
>
> or you can
> write to them by snail mail at:
>
> NOETIC JOURNAL
          ^^^^^^^

Again, where is the supposed Insitute??

> c/o Noetic Press
> 120 Village Square #49
> Orinda CA 94567-2502
>

Again, this is the press, not the Institute.
The city of Orina webpage
http://www.ci.orinda.ca.us/sitestour/sites.htm
lists the Village Square as "shops".

Face it, it's an office suite where they cash
checks from people dumb enough to subscribe
to the journal; nothing more.

> or perhaps you could get in your car and go
> to the above address and talk to them if you
> don't think they exist.
>
>
>
>>>As you will see the NOETIC JOURNAL publishes
>>>many world famous authors such as:
>>>
>>>Karl H. Pribram
>>>Bruce Buchanan
>>>Benjamin Libet
>>>Henry P. Stapp
>>>Fred Alan Wolf
>>>Benny Shanon
>>>Rupert Sheldrake
>>>George Hammond
>>>
>>>All of these authors (except me) have at least one or more
>>>(some as many as 6) best selling Science books in your
>>>local bookstores and hundreds of peer reviewed publications
>>>in leading journals. Most of them are PhD's and/or Professors
>>>at leading Universities.
>>> The Editor is Richard L. Amoroso PhD (physics) an internationally
>>>recogized authority in Relativity Physics, editor of books and journals
>>>and popular keynote speaker at international symposiums in Gravity
>>>research (Vigier IV, etc.),
>>
>>He's not "an internationally recognized" anything. A web search
>>for his name yields mostly stuff related to this virtual
>>"institute". He's never published anything even vaguely scientific.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> MORE HORSE***. He just recently edited a textbook of
> papers on RELATIVITY including several papers by himself
> on HARD SCIENCE GENERAL RELATIVITY in a book
> by KLUWER ACADEMIC PUBLISHERS in the Netherlands, one
> of the worlds largest academic publishing houses. You can see
> the table of contents including HIS PAPERS (and Wolfgang Rindlers)
> at:
>
> http://www.wkap.nl/prod/b/1-4020-0885-6?a=1
>
> Quit your lying!!
>
>
>
>
>>He does seem to have organized a few "conferences", but they all
>>appear to be public wank-fests, as far as I can tell.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> I don't think VIGIER IV could be called a "wank fest"... not
> with all those internationally famous PhD's in physics attending.
>

Well, here's the program
http://www.mindspring.com/~cerebroscopic/Program.html
Probably some reasonable talks got in, but notice there is
also a talk by Jack Sarfatti! I rest my case.

>
>>I was unable to find any bio of him, so there's no telling whether
>>or not he actually has a PhD.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Yes, he keeps his bio and pix off the Internet to keep cranks like
> you and the thousands heckling me from bothering him.
> Obviously he's a PhD in physics or he wouldn't be co-editor
> with 3 other PhD's of the above mentioned physics text book.
>

Eh, yeah, right. That's certainly convincing.

>
>
>>Although Hammond claims it's in
>>physics, I can find no such claim anywhere by Amoroso himself.
>>I suspect it's either from a degree mill or in a non-scientific
>>field.
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Incredible... he's personally aquainted with Roger Penrose,
> and a simple reading of the titles of AMOROSO's PAPERS in the
> above mentioned book shows that they are PhD
> level papers in fundamental General Relativity Physics.

Actually, the stuff I've looked at is pretty similar to
Tom Bearden's or Jack Sartfatti's brand of jargon salad.

But this is all beside the point, George. The point is that
to judge the Noetic Journal, one only needs to know ONE fact:
the fact that they published your paper. That puts them out
of the game.

If the finest restaurant in NYC starts serving dog crap, it
doesn't prove dog crap has become a gourmet food, it proves
that the restaurant owner's have lost their minds. However
good the food reviews might have been in the past won't
change that.

You write meaningless drivel, George. If, by mistake
or incompetence, someone accidentally publishes it, it doesn't
change the fact.

-E

> You don't have any evidence to support your claims and
> obviously don't know who or what your taqlking about.
>
>
>> > and a personal friend of Roger Penrose.
>>
>>I suspect this is another factoid that Hammond has just made up,
>>but in any event it is totally meaningless. Velikovsky
>>was a friend of Eisntein's, but that certainly doesn't make him
>>less of a raving lunatic.
>>
>>
>>> Hammond of course is the latest earthquake to be recognized
>>>by this cutting edge and immensly popular hot new peer reviewed
>>>journal.
>>>
>>
>>Do sane people refer to themselves in the third person??
>>
>>-E
>
>
>
> [Hammond]
> Yes... it's known as "kook bait" because it drives
> kooks like you up the wall.... works every time.
>
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